Last winter I tried a cocoa porter from Tommy Knocker and loved it and was looking for a recipe for something similar- I'm looking for something big with cocoa and honey and higher in gravity than the TK. Any suggestions?
Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.
Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager
Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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69.0 20.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 1.038 3
13.8 4.00 lbs. CaraMunich 40 France 1.034 40
8.6 2.50 lbs. Caramel Pils Malt Belgium 1.034 2
6.9 2.00 lbs. Crystal 60L America 1.034 60
1.7 .50 lbs. Chocolate Malt Great Britain 1.034 475
Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.
Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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1.75 oz. Hallertau Northern Brewer Whole 6.50 20.6 60 min.
0.50 oz. Hallertau Hersbrucker Whole 4.75 1.4 20 min.
1.00 oz. Willamette Whole 5.00 3.0 20 min.
Extras
Amount Name Type Time
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4.00 Tbsp Chocolate Powder Spice 15 Min.(boil)
4.00 Tbsp Chocolate Powder Spice 0 Min.(boil)
Yeast
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WYeast 1028 London Ale
Mash Schedule
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**DO NOT GRIND CHOCOLATE MALT**
Place a few qts of hot water in a pot with the chocolate malt in it for 5 minutes, then add the entire mixture to the mash. The chocolate malt tends to turn to dust when in a grinder...
Mash in with 1.0 qts/lb to 148° for 20 minutes stirring gently every 5 minutes. Add .5 qts/lb water to increase to 154° for 40 minutes. Mash out 165°
Some of the extra points I got with this beer came from the high level of carbonation; for some reason it really allowed the non astringent aspects chocolate flavor. Peruvian chocolate powder is what i typically use but Ghiardelli is a good substitute...
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Last edited by Shaun Goeckner : 09-02-2009 at 09:42 PM.
So I had the idea to expand on a brown ale recipe to the point where it seams to be more of a porter. I realize that dark candy sugar is not at all a porter thing but I want to try it. I'd made some a few weeks ago and it has a slight burnt taste that I think would compliment a beer like this. I'm using the French Strisserspalt because it's supposed to provide a black currant flavor. I want to get some of the dried fruit flavors that you get from quads and dubbels. With that being said, any suggestions that you have to acheive that would be very much appreciated. Let me know if there is a better thread to post this one on as well.
"Porter?"
9.25 Northern Brewer Gold LME
1 lb Dark Belgian Candy Sugar
.5 Special B Malt
.25 Briess Special Roast
.25 Simpsons Chocolate
.25 Biscuit Malt
2 oz Fuggles 60
1 oz French Strisserspalt 30
1 oz French Strisserspalt 15
Nottingham Ale Yeast
ABV 8.0%
IBU 23.0
SRM 38
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Last edited by Baacktoberfest : 12-27-2010 at 01:27 PM.
Uhm, I know that you're a fan of huge beers, but the BJCP style guidelines specify between 4-5.5% ABV I think for porters.
Not that you have to follow the guidelines, but I was under the impression that porter was developed for the common working man (the porters of london as it were) and would likely be lower in alcohol since the poor man can't afford a really big beer.
I only address it because I like drinking porter largely because I can sip a lower ABV beer all night and not end up getting to0 schwilly....(that's a technical term for drunk)
Also, I personally would not use Nottingham, I would go with a London ale strain as I enjoy the minerally "English" taste.
Then again, disregard everything above if you're shooting for a baltic porter, they're more like imperial stouts than porters, IMO.
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Last edited by Tronathon : 12-27-2010 at 01:55 PM.
So I had the idea to expand on a brown ale recipe to the point where it seams to be more of a porter. I realize that dark candy sugar is not at all a porter thing but I want to try it. I'd made some a few weeks ago and it has a slight burnt taste that I think would compliment a beer like this. I'm using the French Strisserspalt because it's supposed to provide a black currant flavor. I want to get some of the dried fruit flavors that you get from quads and dubbels. With that being said, any suggestions that you have to achieve that would be very much appreciated. Let me know if there is a better thread to post this one on as well.
"Porter?"
9.25 Northern Brewer Gold LME
1 lb Dark Belgian Candy Sugar
.5 Special B Malt
.25 Briess Special Roast
.25 Simpsons Chocolate
.25 Biscuit Malt
2 oz Fuggles 60
1 oz French Strisserspalt 30
1 oz French Strisserspalt 15
Nottingham Ale Yeast
ABV 8.0%
IBU 23.0
SRM 38
The only changes i would make is to use White Labs WLP500 Trappist Ale Instead of Notti, this yeast will add some more of those dried fruit flavors your looking for. Also i would add .25 Lbs Black Patent to your Steeped Grains, that will give more of a "porterish flavor" Other than those two i think it looks great!
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I would go with 1.5 oz's at 20 minutes-the 30 and 15 don't really accomplish anything, especially in a porter.
I like the black patent idea vance but I would stick with Nottingham. The Special B will add the raisiny flavor, Notti will help attenuate it and dry it out without making it thin.
Molasses is not a common adjunct in a porter, it has a slightly burnt taste. Just don't use too much. 1/2 pound will give you a fairly strong flavor.
Molasses is not a common adjunct in a porter, it has a slightly burnt taste. Just don't use too much. 1/2 pound will give you a fairly strong flavor.
So are you saying I should replace the Belg candy sugar with molasses?
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It's going to be tuff to keep this below the 70 degree mark that's recomended for Notty so I'm going with Neo Britannia. It has a maximum temp of 74 degrees so I'm going to just make a starter and try to get my wort temp to 68-69. I really like the clean flavor I get from colder ferm temps. Has anyone on the forum used NB Neo Britannia?
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You could try WLP500 or WLP530. They have a 72f limit and produce plum/raisen flavors that blend well. Nottingham finishes very low in gravity and with all your darker malts you'll have a real high level of astringency-you need to leave some sweetness in there to counter them.
Molassas does go well but you should always experiment, changing just one thing at a time and keeping track of the flavor changes....
A note on Porters I learned while in London:
A Porter can be brewed as an Ale OR a Lager. I was told it was all the rage back in the day because it was a heavier beer, and the workers in the Docklands were treated twice a day to a pint, which due to its high calorie level would nourish the worker without him needing to take a break to eat. The "Bosses" scored points with their people and increased productivity at the same time at minimal expense....
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Molassas does go well but you should always experiment, changing just one thing at a time and keeping track of the flavor changes....
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Shaun, do you usually go with black strap molassas?
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Ive used it and Unsulphured both. Unsulphured has a milder flavor to it wheras Black Strap is a bit stronger....
Experiment a bit by making a starter with yeast and pale DME, and add some black strap to one sample and unsuphured to another....
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