Miller Lite "a true pilsner"

[hopjack13]

Miller Lite " a true pilsner"
give me a f#@*ing break!!!! where the hell do they get their balls big enough to call themselves a true pilsner! i gues hinie is a true german beer too huh? urquell..okay i can see that as being a true pilsner ,coming from the town of plzen and all, but miller lite!!! calling themselves a true pilsner is a profanation, an atrocity i say!!! besides a 2 foot flame this is one of the things that really burns my ass, oh jalapenos' do too but not nearly as bad. miller doesn't even make real beer!!!! can i get some feed back! where do these mass produced macros get off trying to push thier chemical waste off as real beer!

[steveh]

Where ya been? They've been using this joke of a tagline for almost two years now and back in the 80s the label read something like "a fine Pilsner style beer." Some marketing whiz was reading All About Beer and got a bright idea.

But yeah, you're absolutely right - pair up an Urquell (German for original) and a Miller Lite side-by-side and you have no contest.

S.

[Aske]

i just thought american people believed they have the best beers. now you confirm me in my opinion: best beers are not american. best beer is not miller. even with these two testimonials...

[hopjack13]

Where ya been? They've been using this joke of a tagline for almost two years now and back in the 80s the label read something like "a fine Pilsner style beer."

i guess it never really dawned on me untill the other day when i was stuck in traffic (another beautiful day in socal) rather then sit on the freeway for two hours to go 10 feet i decided to post up in a bar for the duration of rush hour .as i was having a seirra navada brown on tap, a guy walk up and orderd two miller lites' ...uhg i thought.....then i looked at the lable and light dawned on marble head.

[fretlessman71]

Well, we DO have some of the best beers here in America.... it's just that we don't count Miller as one of them. :)

[steveh]

Originally posted by hopjack13
...as i was having a seirra navada brown on tap,

Wait... Sierra Nevada Brown?

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by Aske
i just thought american people believed they have the best beers. now you confirm me in my opinion: best beers are not american. best beer is not miller. even with these two testimonials...

The beauty is, there are "best" beers everywhere. It makes beer a common link for all of us.

And to second Fretless - most of us here (on the forum) wouldn't label Miller Lite as anything "best," except maybe to water flowers.

S.

[Richard English]

Pity those poor flowers!

I have a better idea; use it in slug-traps. As is well- known, slugs do not appreciate good beer and will drown just as readily in chemical fizz as they would in Fuller's 1845 (heaven forfend!)

[threecb]

I guess i've been in a cave near hopjack!

I was in a bar a couple of weeks ago watching a Stanley Cup Finals game and on the wall next to the TV I was watching was a Lite clock with that slogan. I snorted in derision at that. Talk about advertising spin!

It was the first i'd noticed that line...i guess it kind of boosts one's beer self-worth to be so blissfully unaware of the lies of the macros!

[hopjack13]

yeah ....thats what i said, "sierra navada brown?" she said that they just tapped it and not one glass has been poured yet. so i said i'd have one. the first pour was hardly carbonated and i could see the storm in the glass. it went down really smooth so i ordered another , same thing it was great. by the third glass the storm was gone and it was alot more carbonated then the first two. it didn't taste nearly as well as the first two. i figured i got ahold of the beer before the co2 had saturated it and that i tasted the beer the way it was suppose to taste with out co2. interesting i thought. i guess it was close to experiancing a beer on cask (which sadly i have not done yet). one day soon i'll have the pleasure of a beer on cask. for now i just had a glimpse i think.

[steveh]

No mention of a Brown at the SN web site, I wonder if there are plans to bottle, or if it will be a tap beer only. I need to check my local beer bar to see if they have any dibs in on a barrell.

BTW - cask conditioned beer is more than just low, yet natural, carbonation. I imagine that the SN Brown would take on different characteristics in cask conditioning other than low carbonation. But yeah, I'd bet it would be good - and since they bottle-condition their ales, making it available that way would be close to real ale too.

Are there no brew-pubs in So Cal that cask condition any of their beers and put them on the hand pump?

S.

[hopjack13]

Are there no brew-pubs in So Cal that cask condition any of their beers and put them on the hand pump?
i haven't found any in my area .....sadly. but there are a few in san diego , i can't recall the name of the place but they're going to have the stone ruination on cask this saturday!!! damn ..i'll be in virginia this weekend, would've been worth the 1 hour drive im sure! i spend most of my time in orange county and haven't been able to locate any place that serves their beer on cask.... bummer huh? as for the sn brown i think i tried it at the brewery in chico a couple years back . just the sampler but we ordered a pitcher of the celebration instead. the bar tender told me the sn brown was hard to find but they had it for some reason. i was beer shoping yesterday and i saw a sn summer beer in six pack bottles that was bottom fermented....interesting i thought but didn't buy it i got a couple speedway stouts from the alesmith instead. have you tried their summer beer........anyone?

[Doug Schultz]

"Loosely, any golden-coloured, dry, bottom fermenting beer of conventional strength might be described as such."

Miller Light, by definition, is a Pilsner beer. Nowhere in the definition does it say that it has to taste good to be a Pilsner Beer. Now, if the label said, 'Miller Light is the best tasting Pilsner Beer in the World!', well, get a gun.....

Just .02 for argument's sake,

[hopjack13]

PILSNER / PILSENER / PILS - (Pilsen, Bohemia now known as Czechoslovakia) Loosely, any golden colored, dry bottom-fermenting beer of conventional strength might be described as this style, though it properly belongs to a product of super-premium quality, characterized by the hoppiness of its flowery aroma and dry finish. Aged in wood, it is traditionally the palest of all lagers.

miller light claims to be " a true pilsner" how can that be if it doesn't come from plzen or brewed as they brew their pilsners? i highly doubt they even use the same ingedeints. and is by far not "a product of super-premium quality"
and if your trying to defend miller your on the wrong web site i can asure you.

[Doug Schultz]

Read the definition again:

" any golden colored, dry bottom-fermenting beer of conventional strength might be described as this style".

The very definition invites debate. Now maybe Miller takes it to an extreme with the use of the word 'true', in describing their panther piss as 'a true pilsner beer'. Semantics and statistics will be the death of us all...:-)


"and if your trying to defend miller your on the wrong web site i can asure you."


I never said anything about defending Miller. Don't interpret my input as defense of Miller Light beer. As of yet, I've not made any of my own preferences known here. I merely state the facts. A beer does not have to be brewed in Pilsen to be a pilsner. By your train of logic, are there then no stouts except those brewed in Ireland?

I'm on the right website if there are people here:
1. Who keep an open mind during debate.
2. Are strong with their own convictions.
3. Are respectful of other's convictions.

Have a nice day,

[fretlessman71]

Easy, folks... nobody in this community (in their right mind, anyway) is here to defend Miller Lite. I believe that Miller makes its case for the sort of beer that Lite is by its advertising campaigns, and we ought to let those speak for themselves. Certainly by definition Miller Lite 'could be' brewed in a Pilsner fashion, but we all know how it tastes. Same thing with fast food! I mean, they LOOK like real french fries, and they're CALLING them french fries, BUT.... (Besides, they're not fried in France! I guess we WILL have to start calling them Freedom Fries after all...)

[hopjack13]

A beer does not have to be brewed in Pilsen to be a pilsner.

that is not what i said. what i said was

miller light claims to be " a true pilsner" how can that be if it doesn't come from plzen or brewed as they brew their pilsners? i highly doubt they even use the same ingedeints.

if i learn to speak japanese would that make me a true japanese?
miller SUCKS!!!
ON WITH THE CRUSADE!

[hopjack13]

I GOT IT!!! I GOT IT !!! I GOT IT!!!

Miller lite "A True Swillsner"

[fretlessman71]

I'll buy that! (Well, I won't actually go out and BUY it... you know what I mean.):)

[BluesHarp]

Miller Lite????

I went to a family birthday party at a bar a couple weeks ago; they had a keg of Lite for free. I saw a mug of it; it wasn't even gold...not even yellow! It was a weird color not naturally occuring on earth. Somewhere between platinum, green, and ?????
I went to the pay bar; MGD, Bud, Bud Light, and more Miller Lite. After some prodding, they said they had some Leinies in the back. Well, I drank all the Creamy Dark, all the Red...then I had to leave.

Miler Lite? Puleeease!!!!:mad:

[guzzler67]

Keep posting, Doug. Many people on this site like a variety of beers and the variety of opinions about those beers. It keeps things interesting.

There are some really fine pilsners in my area - Tuppers Hop Pocket Pils(they also make a great ale) and Victory Prima Pils are just two. The fresher the better with this style (unless it's Miller Lite, of course).

[hopjack13]

Many people on this site like a variety of beers and the variety of opinions about those beers. It keeps things interesting.

true dat, true dat.
hey im not trying to bash anyone ......uh.... except the macros like miller lite , buttwiper ect..ect.. i can't do anything about all that chemical waste they're pumping out so bashing them seems to make me feel a "little" better.

[brewmonkey]

He is right. They can call it a Pilsner, but those of us who know better steer clear of it.

Like it or not though, this is the first "lite" beer to be mass marketed as such AND it is a consistant winner at both the GABF and the WBC. I don't like it anymore then the rest of you, but it is the truth.


As for me, I took a good segment of the local lite beer market by brewing a lighter beer. Within weeks of it being on tap, we pulled about 80% of the bottled beer drinkers in our pub over to our version (it is an adjunct beer using 25% roasted flaked rice).

[Richard English]

I would maybe be more impressed if I knew what the competition was.

Any proper Pilsners, for example?

[steveh]

I would maybe be more impressed if I knew what the competition was.

Any proper Pilsners, for example?

The category is "American Style Light Lager," so you can imagine the competition. Again, a dubious distinction.

http://www.realbeer.com/edu/gabf/gabf2002.php
If you follow the link and find the winners of the past 4 years, you'll see that Miller Lite hasn't really done all that well in recent years. I can imagine conversation at the judges table, "No - I think that this entry has the least amount of flavor, but that one definitely has the least body." :P~~

S.

[Richard English]

All of the winners are American I have to assume that the entry was restricted to American beers. I can't believe that the winners would have done that well had the competition included some overseas entrants.

[steveh]

How many other countries do you know who are brewing (or consuming) light, colorless, flavorless, bodyless (so called) beer? Of course all of the entries were American, a sad testament.

If you look at all of the entries, you'll see that there are other categories with better beers. You can bet that Miller wasn't one of the entrants in those competitions.

S.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Richard English
All of the winners are American I have to assume that the entry was restricted to American beers. I can't believe that the winners would have done that well had the competition included some overseas entrants.

For the WBC (World Beer Cup) any brewer in the world can enter, and in the past it has been won by other breweries.

For the GABF it is only American breweries and as stated for the last several years Lite has been absent from the medals but thats 4 out of 21 years the GABF has been going.

The light beer categories have been popular for a few years with the pub brewers and several have won medals beating out the big guys.

[Richard English]

Quote "...How many other countries do you know who are brewing (or consuming) light, colorless, flavorless, bodyless (so called) beer?..."

Sadly, all too many! This is one monopoly that the USA does not have! Australian beers are usually pretty bad and the mass-market ones (such as Fosters and Castlemaine) equal A-B and Miller in awfulness. Coopers is one of very few drinkable Australian beers.

South Africa, too, has Castle (now merged with Miller to form SAB Miller). Their beer is shocking. Again there is an oasis in the form of Mitchells.

Most of southern Europe, too, is a sink of mediocrity insofar as beer is concerned.

Sadly, very few of these countries even realise how bad their beers are since they know nothing else. In other words, their situation is much as was the USA's in the 1970s. The turn round in the USA from just a handful of drinkable beers then to maybe 10,000 now is a credit to the acknowledged ability of the Americans to "get on with it".

[Brewdepest]

Can someone share with me why, when I did (I do not now, nor will I ever again) drink Miller Lite, it left me with an awful headache?

[sallad]

preservatives, adjucts, non-natural ingredients. ever notice how homebrew never leaves you with that feeling? one of the things drinking strips from your body is vitamin B, and yeast has a high content of this.

drink less yellow fizz, drink more homebrew!

yea!

[steveh]

While I completely agree with Sallad's assessment of Miller Lite and its hangover inducing ingredients, you can drink enough home-brew to produce the same results. Voice of experience? Well, uh - maybe? ;)

S.

[Richard English]

It is no secret although it's something that the chemical fizz manufacturers keep quiet about.

Fizz beers are pumped full of adjuncts, including "heading compounds" and preservatives. It is these, not the (miniscule amounts) of alcohol that course the problem.

If I drink Real Ale, I go home tipsy (or even blotto!) and wake with a clear head; if I drink chemical fizz, I go home stone cold sober and wake with a thumping hangover.

I did hear once (although maybe it's just an urban myth) that there was a fizz-beer manufacturer which put a chemical into its beer that was designed to give those who consumed it a headache the next morning. The theory was that the unfortunate drinkers would wake up and say, "...by golly I had a good night last night - I feel shocking...!"

In truth, of course, the reverse is true.

And although it is possible to get some of the hangover symptoms even with good beer if you drink enough of it, these are usually less severe and are caused primarily by de-hydration (alcohol is a diuretic). If you've been on a real bender (especially if you been on spirits), try making your last drink before you go to bed a pint of (still) water - you'll be amazed how much better it will make you feel in the morning

[hopjack13]

your absolutely right, i always have a glass of water before i go to bed after "having a few" not so much as far as keeping a hang over at bay, i don't really worry about hang overs i drink real beer!, but so i don't wake up with a dry pastey mouth. also a glass of water between beers helps too. last night i went to the goat hill tavren (over 141 beers on tap) and i had a glass of water between every beer (mainly to cleanse the pallate between different beers) and i woke up today after just 5 and a half hours sleep feeling just super! try that with miller lite " a true swillsner"

[guzzler67]

Hopjack, over 141 on tap? THAT's impressive. Do they manage to deep them fresh and well rotated? There's on in my area with close to 100, and I choose carefully in order to avoid those that get a tad bit too skunky from sitting around too long.

[hopjack13]

i think it's a crap shoot, most of the beers i tried were pretty fresh as far as i could tell , however i also tried a few i have never had before. like the hoegaarden (spelling?) i wasn't real impressed , it tasted like a watered down version of chimay cinq cents. it may have been sitting a while i don't know , sense i've never had it before. it's a pretty busy place though so i imagine their beers get rotated often.

[Brewdepest]

This headache I'm describing isn't a hangover, it would hit me within an hour or so of starting the first beer, and I definitely do not have that problem with most quality brews.

Beers that give me the headache:
Miller Light, Busch Light, Bud Light, Budweiser, sometimes Fosters

Beers that do not give me the headache:
Pabst Blue Ribbon :D , Coors Light, Michelob Utra Lite, Amberbock

And of course, brews of greater quality. (If I'm drinking cheap, I'm drinking pabst, otherwise I'm not drinking, or I'm not drinking cheap.)

I'm allergic to artificial sweeteners like saccharine - could this be related?

[Richard English]

Absolutely. The headache isn't a hangover; it's caused by the rubbish in the beers you cited.

The main cause of a hangover is dehydration which is why the "pint of water" trick works. It won't work, though, with a chemically induced headache. For that the cure is far simpler. Eschew all chemical fizz beers and drink only the real stuff!

[hopjack13]

Amen brother Richard!

[sallad]

well, the 4th of july bbq had 3 kegs - all coors lt. very little homebrew. (not my bbq, not my job to provide homebrew for the amount of people that would consume 3 kegs..)

anyway, man, the headache the next day... been a while since i've had that much yellow fizz, and it was no good. i'm sticking to quality brews from now on!