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chazwicke
04-22-2005, 11:52 AM
This from DC Beer:

Two N.M. Monasteries Asking State To Let Them Make Beer



By Dave Kavanaugh, Abq. Journal Northern Bureau



PECOS. It used to be, at least in Europe, you had to get thee to a
monastery to find a beer.

Now, two New Mexico monasteries want to bring Europe's longstanding
tradition here by opening a brewery on the grounds of the Pecos Benedictine
Monastery east of Santa Fe.

The Abbey Beverage Company LLC is seeking approval of a state liquor
license for the brewery.

Brad Kraus, of Santa Fe, who described himself as the "master brewer"
for the project, said monks in Europe have been brewing beer for centuries.

Brother William of Abiquiu's Monastery of Christ in the Desert confirmed
Kraus' retelling of history.

"At one point in medieval Europe," he said, "there were no other
breweries but monastic breweries."

Brother William said monks brewed beer for everyday use, for holidays
and for visitors. He said he thought the planned brewery-on-the-monastery at
Pecos may be a first in the western hemisphere.

The planned Pecos brewery is a joint venture of the Pecos and Abiquiu
monasteries.

Local approval of the brewerya legal requirement for operationis one
hurdle already cleared, as the San Miguel County Commission on Tuesday voted
5-0 to give its blessing to a small-brewer category license.

The next step for Abbey Beverage is formal approval by the state Alcohol
and Gaming Division.

Preliminary approval by that agency already has been secured, according
to documentation presented by San Miguel County planning and zoning
supervisor Alex Tafoya.

A waiver will be required because the proposed brewery will be located
within 300 feet of a church or school. Specifically, it will be on or
adjacent to the premises of the monastery itself, at 143 Cowles Highway just
north of Pecos.

Tafoya informed commissioners that the applicants specified that there
would be no on-site alcohol sales or consumption of the beer.

The brewery is expected to be on monastery property north of the
monastery itself, but an exact location has not been selected.

Tradition is one reason for the proposed beer-makingeconomics is
another.

Brother William, who was present for last week's County Commission
meeting, said the brewery would increase the financial independence of the
monastery, which relies on donations and outside support for sustenance.

It also will provide jobs to help boost the local economy, he said.

"We cannot count on the donations," he said. "God helps those who help
themselves."

The Roman Catholic religious brother said one source of inspiration for
the brewery concept is the quality of water in the Pecos River, which flows
near the Pecos monastery.

Before voting, the commission held a public hearing on the licensing
issue, and aside from the project's two representatives, no one spoke either
for or against it.

Commissioner Kenneth Medina asked whether the brewery's organizers had
brought samples of the product to the meeting, eliciting chuckles from the
audience.

"We've got to get the license first," Kraus answered, drawing a few
laughs himself.

One other issue the planned brewery may face involves the monastery's
tax-exempt status.

Property tax assessments typically include exemptions either in part or
in full if a property is used for religious or educational purposes. But if
a portion of a property is deemed to be serving other purposes, including
commercial gain, its tax-exempt status could be altered.

County Attorney Jesus Lopez said that would be a matter for the
monastery and brewery to work out with the county assessor.

Abbey Beverage has a corporate address in Santa Feat 235 Don Gaspar,
address of a shop called The Monks' Corner. The shop, run by the Christ in
the Desert Monastery, sells a variety of items produced by monks, but no
beer.

Brother William said the brewery is applying for a wholesale license
that would allow sales to restaurants and retail outlets. Commercial
investors will be approached within a couple of years, he noted. How big the
operation will be, he said, will depend on the market response.

"We're being flexible," he said.

fretlessman71
04-22-2005, 12:02 PM
Sounds like a good reason to go on a road trip - MN isn't all that far away! :)

chazwicke
04-22-2005, 12:07 PM
We have a monestery near where I live and they make bread and jellies for sale and they also sell honey I think. I have often thought that they should brew beer.

HogieWan
04-22-2005, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by fretlessman71
Sounds like a good reason to go on a road trip - MN isn't all that far away! :)

think you got your abreviation reversed.

Would love to try what comes out of a US monastic brewery

Almost left the last "y" off my comment - would have changed the meaning dramatically

steveh
04-22-2005, 12:38 PM
I wonder if they will legally be able to call their beers "Abbey Beers," as opposed to those that must state "Abbey Style Beer." Either way, I hope they plan on following the traditions of styles that come from the European abbeys.

No sales on-site? That's not following tradition! :confused:

S.

HogieWan
04-22-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by steveh
No sales on-site? That's not following tradition!

I agree, but since I'll probably never get there, I can only consider how more beer bottled would give me a better chance of getting some here.

newportstorm
04-22-2005, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by steveh
I wonder if they will legally be able to call their beers "Abbey Beers," as opposed to those that must state "Abbey Style Beer." Either way, I hope they plan on following the traditions of styles that come from the European abbeys.

No sales on-site? That's not following tradition! :confused:

S.

Is the "Abbey" name guarded as the "Trappist" name is? I can understand having to call it Abbey-style if the beer is produced at a commercial brewery in downtown Boston, but if it's truly brewed on the grounds of a monastery...hmmm

As far as no sales on site...would the population of NM demand that? Might make more sense to get the beer into the hands of those that can distribute it efficiently. I'm with you, though - would be nice to have some beer available on site for locals/visitors, though the local tee-totallers might put up a stink. But no "on-site consumption"? Hopefully, they don't consider tasting for QC purposes "consumption".

And tradition? I've heard that Chimay has their beer bottled off premises - doesn't seem traditional to me. Not that I really care...

Cheers!

Wilson
04-22-2005, 01:48 PM
"County Attorney Jesus..."

Talk about irony. Hahahaha.....ok, sorry, but I had to! ;)

I hope it works out for them. I'll definetly give their beer a shot. I just ordered a book called "Heavenly Beer." Monastic brewers and their history fascinate me.

HarkJohnny
04-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by chazwicke
Now, two New Mexico monasteries want to bring Europe's longstanding
tradition here by opening a brewery on the grounds of the Pecos Benedictine
Monastery east of Santa Fe

just in time for some Pope Benny Beer :D

HarkJohnny
04-22-2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by newportstorm
Is the "Abbey" name guarded as the "Trappist" name is? I can understand having to call it Abbey-style if the beer is produced at a commercial brewery in downtown Boston, but if it's truly brewed on the grounds of a monastery...hmmm

maybe call it Abbist?

chazwicke
04-22-2005, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by newportstorm

And tradition? I've heard that Chimay has their beer bottled off premises - doesn't seem traditional to me. Not that I really care...

Cheers!

I can verify this. I followed my nose and found the monestery where it is brewed. My buddy and I decided to take our own personal tour and were walking around the grounds and building where eventually we were apporached and told that the "Tour was down the road and the beer was brewed on the premisis but bottled off site and that is where we must go to learn about Chimay. We never made it to the bottling site and official tourist location but we did quaff plenty at a restaurant in the town of Chimay. I'm fairly certain I have photos somewhere.

chazwicke
04-22-2005, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by HarkJohnny
maybe call it Abbist?

Abbist Normal?

steveh
04-22-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by HarkJohnny
just in time for some Pope Benny Beer :D

Too late. (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7050) Bavaria is way ahead of everyone, after all - that's where he's from!

S.

fretlessman71
04-22-2005, 04:23 PM
You gonna post your password so we can all read the article? ;)

chazwicke
04-22-2005, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by steveh
Too late. (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7050) Bavaria is way ahead of everyone, after all - that's where he's from!

S.

I'm not Catholic but I like the idea of a Bavarian pope. :D

steveh
04-24-2005, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by fretlessman71
You gonna post your password so we can all read the article? ;)

It was sent to me without a password, and I've sent it to others who haven't needed one...don't know Fret, O.E?

S.

eppie
04-24-2005, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by newportstorm
Is the "Abbey" name guarded as the "Trappist" name is? I can understand having to call it Abbey-style if the beer is produced at a commercial brewery in downtown Boston, but if it's truly brewed on the grounds of a monastery...hmmm


As far as I know abbey is not a protected term. It is a style(s). Most abbey breweries will licence the name of an abbey to try to make themselves more official, but even that is not needed. Trappist on the other hand is VERY protected. St. Bernardus was forced to change thier labels because they listed thier (correct) adress which happens to be on "trappistenweg". You'd think these monks were too busy brewing beer and attending to mass to care, but they'll get you if you mess with thier name.

fretlessman71
04-24-2005, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by steveh
It was sent to me without a password, and I've sent it to others who haven't needed one...don't know Fret, O.E?

S. Yeah, I click on the link and I get sent to the "online subscription page" for the newspaper. Operator Error, all right...

chazwicke
04-24-2005, 05:14 PM
Yeah I got the same.

HogieWan
04-24-2005, 08:52 PM
me three

steveh
04-25-2005, 06:18 AM
That's not what you said over in the Germany section Chaz, or were you just posturing? ;)

Try this again - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0504210259apr21,1,4149412.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=2&cset=true

You may have to cut and paste. And when I get the page it even has a block at the upper right asking me to register or log in, but I can still read the article. Dunno. Maybe it's finally time to make the switch to Mac, guys -- and I'm even linking on Internet Explorer!

S.

chazwicke
04-25-2005, 08:38 AM
Nope, this one asks to register. I run across this on many sites and I am registered at Washington Post's site. Don't know why the German article worked. I just tried it again and now it wants me to register. Maybe they allow a freebie but require log in on return visits. I'll probably register.

fretlessman71
04-25-2005, 08:49 AM
Yeah - even the URL is different... the last part says something about "intercept", which tells me that it's designed to catch people who aren't members before they are able to read the article. Part of the body of the page says "Please register or log in - The story you requested is available only to registered members."

steveh
04-25-2005, 09:55 AM
You guys try various browsers?

S.

fretlessman71
04-25-2005, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by steveh
You guys try various browsers?

S. Yep... Netscape and IE both take me to the same place.

chazwicke
04-25-2005, 10:51 AM
I'm gonna just register. I use IE and Netscape too.

(I think Netscape is having something funky going on right now. I am not receiving the notices when someone posts in a thread.)

HogieWan
04-25-2005, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by steveh
You guys try various browsers?

IE and firefox , but it's redirecting te page at the server.

steveh
04-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Don't get it, sorry. The article is too long to cut and paste, but here's something else just in from Spaten (first e-mail news from them in years!):

The new pope is not, however, a teetotaler: Cardinal Bertone said he occasionally allows himself a glass of "excellent" wine from Piedmont. Manuela Macher, co-owner of the Cantina Tirolese, a Bavarian restaurant near the Vatican where he is a regular, said he also liked an occasional German beer, Franziskaner Weissbier. Which raises a question: Does he order the large size or the small?

S.

Just for you Student!

studentofbeer
04-25-2005, 04:06 PM
i think he drinks it because he likes the happy monk too. ;) he probably won't be going to the pub anymore tho. imagine sitting next to the pope while he downs a tall glass of weizen.

i've been meaning to change my avatar anyway.

unkle bik
04-25-2005, 04:13 PM
In Medival times, there were no hotels for travelers. The traveler was forced to take residence in the monastaries. The traveler expected a meal and drink. The monks provided just that as they were self-sufficient.

brewmonkey
04-25-2005, 04:55 PM
Sadly for those monasteries as I understandit, it will not be up to the states but the federal government in the end. There are a lot of ATF issues at hand but more importantly IRS regulations that prohibit them from becoming a brewery.