Bud's Caffine/ginseing beer

[JohnBarleycorn]

Has anyone other than myself been stupid enought to try this disgusting crap?

[fretlessman71]

Chaz tried it; he only got a few sips into it before he poured it out.

Did you finish it? What did you notice re caffeine, guarana, etc.?

[unkle bik]

Since it's April Fool's day, I'll be fool enough to admit to it. (i'll try just about anything, it was given to me, not bought)

Reminded me of a cross between a light beer and one of those berry flavored "energy" drinks. In other words, it sukked. Sweet and tart, with a hint of bitterness to let you know some idiot put some phony beer in there. What a marriage, huh? Didn't have any phisilogical effects on me except an upset stomach.

Drank it out of the can, so I couldn't tell ya what color it was.
Don't waste your time, energy, or money on it.

[newportstorm]

You're not alone:

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/29/20638/

http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer/be-(b-to-the-e)/41411/

Cheers!

[unkle bik]

LOL!!!!!

I like this one:
"After about 10-12 of them (cant quite remember) and a few hours later, I was well buzzed. I went home and putzed around for awhile before hitting the sack around 11:30 pm. I awoke at 2:30 am wide awake, less buzzed than before. I could not go to sleep to save my life and felt like I had drank 30 cups of coffee. 2 1/2 hours later i was still wide awake. The moral of this story is dont drink this stuff if your expecting to just pass out after getting bombed , cuz you will just wake up soon after thinking you had passed out!"

You would have thought the idiot would sense enought to quit after the first one.

[L.H.H.H.Brown]

Wondering when someone was gonna comment on that stuff ( like Butt Select, oooooh!! ). Had a friend try it. That was enough for me. Good thing this site is looking out for us.:D

[JohnBarleycorn]

Isn't Bud "select" just Bud dry?....I notice the latter is no longer on the shelves.

[PFDarkside]

Might as well just stick with the Red Bull/Vodka, it tastes better...

[fretlessman71]

I still think that this stuff is a heart attack and subsequent litigation just waiting to happen... :mad:

[PFDarkside]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
I still think that this stuff is a heart attack and subsequent litigation just waiting to happen... :mad:
I haven't actuallt had B^e, but I did try a Sparxx, same idea with alcohol and caffiene. Wow, for that to be a session drink it needs a quarter of the caffiene. After one I was juiced but felt nothing from the alcohol. (This is the exact opposite of a fine beer, drink it to get buzzed and stay up at the club or a concert) If I would have had 4 I think my heart would have exploded, and I drink a lot of coffee and Red Bull in general.

[dillen]

I could not even get past the smell before I poured it out .It would sell great to the 21-25 yr age group

[xtalman]

Originally posted by dillen
I could not even get past the smell before I poured it out .It would sell great to the 21-25 yr age group
Who do you think its marketed for? Actually I would bet even under 21 but we all know that is illiegal.

[JohnBarleycorn]

I think it targeted at Collage students......and meth-heads.

It's destined to bomb....as are the careers of the boobs that thought of it, I expect.
Bud is known for starting up new "specialty divisions" when a fad comes along....then sacks the entire department when the silly shit tanks after the gimmic wains.

Remember Bud's "Foust"?

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by xtalman
Who do you think its marketed for? Actually I would bet even under 21 but we all know that is illiegal. That didn't stop Camel from using their cartoonish "Joe Camel" ad campaign from targeting underage smokers... took a gov't hearing to get them to drop the campaign. Gotta admit, though; although I hated what they represented, I liked the Joe Camel ads - wonderfully creative!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
I think it targeted at Collage students......and meth-heads.

It's destined to bomb....as are the careers of the boobs that thought of it, I expect.
Bud is known for starting up new "specialty divisions" when a fad comes along....then sacks the entire department when the silly shit tanks after the gimmic wains.

Remember Bud's "Foust"? I hope this stuff bombs... I just hope it happens before some poor stupid kid tries to drink 8 of them at a party and his ventricles go on holiday...

Don't remember Foust. Enlighten us? Was it a Root Beer?

[steveh]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
Remember Bud's "Foust"?

No, some sort of deal-with-the-devil gone bad?

S.

[fretlessman71]

Yes - I saw a one-act play on the subject. Very instructive. ;)

[chazwicke]

I think I read recently that the the other two macro were introducing similiar products.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Yes - I saw a one-act play on the subject. Very instructive. ;)

I'd crawfish the bet and shoot that ol' devil in the a...

S.

[JohnBarleycorn]

In the early 90's.... Bud opened a "specialty division".....to persue the craft beer segment.(after stating in the 80's that brew-pub beer was just a temporary gimmick that would run it's course)
They came out with beers that were "modernized" versions of thier beers from the 1800's
Foust was a Marzen style lager.
I can't recall the names of the other 3-4 products they came out with, but they all had beautiful victorian lables.

I think it was 94' when they shut down the department and canned/ re-assigned the entire divison.
A friend of mine was picked out of his brew-pub to work there in the new dept. That's how I heard the story.

[fretlessman71]

Interesting... wonder if there's any internet info on this division.

[JohnBarleycorn]

Just scanned the bud web site......alot of history yet, no mention of the old products or the closed division.

Perhaps they just fabricated the entire history for sales and are embarrased at the failure.
Who knows.

[steveh]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
In the early 90's.... Bud opened a "specialty division".....to persue the craft beer segment.(after stating in the 80's that brew-pub beer was just a temporary gimmick that would run it's course)

I remember trying one of those beers at the Restaurant Show in Chicago; took one swig and all I could taste was tortilla chips! Fulla corn.

I'm sure that division evolved into the segment of A/B that's brewing the Bareknuckle Stout and the like. Funny thing, in talking with Stod he said that A/B makes (made?) a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale clone, in nearly the same packaging "look" that they distribute around SN's home area to compete. Not so funny thing is, he said it wasn't bad.

S.

[Gecko]

It's a Bud product!!! of course it tastes like crap, do we really need to keep commenting on it????

[fretlessman71]

Welcome to the boards Gecko!

Yes, you're right, as a whole, AB makes lousy stuff. But I've heard that they CAN make a good beer if they would only try, and Bareknuckle Stout seems to be evidence of this.

And yeah, we need to keep commenting on it, otherwise other newbies that aren't as wise as you and I would come in here thinking we're all a bunch of swill drinkers! :)

[newportstorm]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Interesting... wonder if there's any internet info on this division.

Here's one article I remember reading last year. I think it was posted here. Worth reading about A-B's beermaking talent:

http://www.allaboutbeer.com/homebrew/ab_trip.html

Cheers!

[HogieWan]

good stuff - thanks

[unkle bik]

Ditto for me, too.

With all the resources that A-B has, you would have to be sure that they have money to attract the right personell, and purchase the choice ingredients make something besides "yellow corn beer".

Like I said before, A-B has it's place in beer making history. And craft brewers such as Sierra Nevada have their place, too. A-B makes brew for the uneducated masses. Craft brewers have their place for people who "like something different." Quality product can be made by both. It's two different markets we are looking at.

The two should never meet halfway.
Just my .02.

[PFDarkside]

Originally posted by fretlessman71

Yes, you're right, as a whole, AB makes lousy stuff. But I've heard that they CAN make a good beer if they would only try, and Bareknuckle Stout seems to be evidence of this.

I can speak first handed about bare knuckle, seeing as I have a keg currently. It's not good, it's not bad. It's blah. The exagerations people say about Guinness are all true in this beer. There's just not much flavor going on here. I'm not sure how much the nitro is masking anything, maybe I'll re tap it on CO2 with a regular faucet. (Eh, maybe I'll finish my homebrew first. ;))

[steveh]

Originally posted by unkle bik
...make something besides "yellow corn beer".

Please. "Yellow rice beer." :rolleyes:

S.

A swill by any other name...

[JohnBarleycorn]

At risk of a lynching I have to say this:

Bud is not garbage. It's an extremley well made beer.
No brewery on earth spends nearly as much as Bud on QC and RD.
Thier infatic about quality materials and process.

Like thier beer's flavor or not, you really can't knock thier quality. Besides,.....most people on earth like Bud....alot.
That's a fact.

[steveh]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
At risk of a lynching I have to say this:

Bud is not garbage. It's an extremley well made beer.
No brewery on earth spends nearly as much as Bud on QC and RD.
Thier infatic about quality materials and process.

I completely disagree - there are plenty of breweries that spend as much or more time on QC - and much more time on RD than A/B. And just as many that make a quality, consistent beer (not that I'll agree that Spud is beer) - look at any of the Munich and other Bavarian breweries.

Like thier beer's flavor or not, you really can't knock thier quality.

Oh, but I can for just that reason - it has no flavor.

Besides,.....most people on earth like Bud....alot. That's a fact.

Well, maybe not Earth, but only the uninitiated, uneducated, and overly-marketed.

S.

[newportstorm]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
At risk of a lynching I have to say this:

Bud is not garbage. It's an extremley well made beer.
No brewery on earth spends nearly as much as Bud on QC and RD.
Thier infatic about quality materials and process.

Like thier beer's flavor or not, you really can't knock thier quality. Besides,.....most people on earth like Bud....alot.
That's a fact.

True. If people want to define quality as "having flavor", then A-B does a pretty poor job. But if you view quality as "consistency", then A-B does a fantastic job.

I don't enjoy their beer, so I don't buy it. I'll spend my $$ on craft brewed beer with flavors I like & spend my efforts promoting beer I love. If we all took the time & energy we spend bashing macros and instead put it towards actually promoting (not just chatting on a website) beer we love, the craft beer community would be better served. Negative advertising, mudslinging and the like are better left to politics and college sports recruiting.

Macros. Ignore them completely or embrace them and use their lack of flavor to your advantage by promoting craft beer with flavor. But slamming someone's beer choice usually only results in defensiveness.

Oh, and if I've learned anything about people in my 30+ years, it's this - most people are cheap, have no taste, do not drink beer for flavor and fear change.

Cheers!

[fretlessman71]

Bud's idea of quality control is making sure that every bottle of Bud tastes the same no matter when it was made or which brewery it came out of. While this is quite the engineering feat, it says nothing about the taste of the beer itself. If you like it, more power to you. Seriously. While there's no accounting for taste, that statement works both ways. I don't really expect most people to like the beer that I like, though I'll try to make a convert given the opportunity. People tend to like Bud for the same reason they like McDonald's - it's bland, unoffensive (to most; certainly the lion's share of members here don't fit into that category), and you know what it's going to taste like. Plus there's that whole sentimentality thing (see my thoughts on that in this post of mine (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&postid=84377#post84377) ) for a lot of people.

Having said all that, it is my firm belief that the amount of money you spend on Quality Control and Research & Development is wasted if you put out an inferior product. And I believe Anheuser-Busch has done just that.

[JohnBarleycorn]

Well,...I asked for it.
Bud is just not my style of beer.
Breweries in Barvaria spend more on qc than Bud?
Oh please.
Bud has labs the size of some German breweries.
I'll also remind you that they panal taste test thier product to the public constantly.....guess what? 9 out of 10 perfer Bud.
Go figure.
Thier not fools, but to insinuate that anyone who does like Bud is "un-educated" is a rather ignorant statment itself.

[L.H.H.H.Brown]

[i] to insinuate that anyone who does like Bud is "un-educated" is a rather ignorant statment itself. [/B]

I could agree. Many beers that I have tasted around the world are kinda Bud " clones " even though Bud is a clone to me ( of the original Pilsner ). MANY people do like this. For whatever reason. I just feel that as long as people buy Bud they can support my local watering hole cuz that's the stuff they make their living on. If it weren't for BMC, my favorite place would be struggling. I just like to live and let live and not worry too much as long as I can get my barleywins/double IPA!!:D

[unkle bik]

Originally posted by steveh
Please. "Yellow rice beer." S.

A swill by any other name...

Sorry.
Just my generic term for BMC type beers.

BTW, millions of people buy Brittney Spears' music.
Does that mean it's any good?

[Bugz-TT]

Originally posted by unkle bik
Sorry.
Just my generic term for BMC type beers.

BTW, millions of people buy Brittney Spears' music.
Does that mean it's any good?

Of Course not it is all in marketing. Why else do they dress the way they do, to sell tickets and albums.

[Gecko]

It blows my mind that a thread about a Bud or Miller product is going on this long, I thought this was REAL beer community where I would find discussions on REAL beer, not discussion on mass produced alcohol flavored water.

[Bugz-TT]

Why what else would we do during the day, work! I laugh in your general direction. Gecko, your right some of these threads take on a life of their own.

[steveh]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
Breweries in Barvaria spend more on qc than Bud?
Oh please.

Please. More passion about the product - not the profit, more quality.

Bud has labs the size of some German breweries.

Be nice if they put them to as good a use.

I'll also remind you that they panal taste test thier product to the public constantly.....guess what? 9 out of 10 perfer Bud.

Ever work with marketers? Ever see how they pick those panels?

Thier not fools, but to insinuate that anyone who does like Bud is "un-educated" is a rather ignorant statment itself.

Sorry - my bad, but that was meant to read uneducated in beer - this is still a beer forum, the subject is beer.

S.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Gecko
It blows my mind that a thread about a Bud or Miller product is going on this long, I thought this was REAL beer community where I would find discussions on REAL beer, not discussion on mass produced alcohol flavored water. Easy, Gecko - sometimes these threads are necessary when we get a newbie or some such person who is defending BMC. To ignore their comments is tantamount to condoning them and agreeing with them. They must be dealt with - only open discussion can bring the truth to everyone's eyes, and open a world of good beer to one who would otherwise have no idea what was out there beyond their own favorite BMC brand. And, if the person in question goes through the whole process of trying many different craft brews and still goes back to their old standby, who are we to tell them that they're wrong? I mean, I still go to Mickey D's from time to time. and I know better, but sometimes it's the only option. I'd much prefer to have a Whole Foods on every corner, but that's the way the big blue ball bounces...

No, I'm not defending BMC... just pointing out that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. :)

[steveh]

Ditto to everything Fret said Gordon (it is Gordon, isn't it - Gordon Gecko? My apologies to anyone who never saw Wallstreet), and there are many forums at this site espousing the greatness of good beer.

S.

[newportstorm]

The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit....

Great flick.

[unkle bik]

Originally posted by steveh
Please. More passion about the product - not the profit, more quality.



I beleive their quality control is more about consistency.
A/B owns and operates many breweries. People expect Bud to taste the same in Maine as they would in Calif. The same way people expect a MIckey D's burger to taste the same no matter where the McDonald's is located.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by unkle bik

BTW, millions of people buy Brittney Spears' music.
Does that mean it's any good?

LOL!!

[Reddengray]

Originally posted by steveh
Funny thing, in talking with Stod he said that A/B makes (made?) a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale clone, in nearly the same packaging "look" that they distribute around SN's home area to compete. Not so funny thing is, he said it wasn't bad.

S.
I remember this stuff. Pacific Ridge, I believe. I remember seeing the tap at a couple of bars for awhile. Never had it. A couple of friends tried it and thought it was OK, but it was known right off as a Bud product trying to knock off SN Pale, and when you could buy a pint of SN for a dollar or two, or a pitcher for four or five dollars there was no need to drink an imitation.

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by Reddengray
I remember this stuff. Pacific Ridge, I believe. I remember seeing the tap at a couple of bars for awhile. Never had it. A couple of friends tried it and thought it was OK, but it was known right off as a Bud product trying to knock off SN Pale, and when you could buy a pint of SN for a dollar or two, or a pitcher for four or five dollars there was no need to drink an imitation.



Sounds like you lived in Chico.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
Sounds like you lived in Chico. Hey - if anyone ever wrote a biography about the guy who started Sierra Nevada Brewing, could they title it "Chico and The Man" ? :D

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Hey - if anyone ever wrote a biography about the guy who started Sierra Nevada Brewing, could they title it "Chico and The Man" ? :D

Okay Fret...put the glass down and back away from the six-pack, time for you to take a little rest...

S.

[Goat King]

When I saw this in the store I was drawn to it like a gawker to a car accident. I bought a four pack, and was tempted to toss the remaining three out after trying one. Energy drinks affect me in a weird way, and I didn't care for the way it made me feel. My girlfriend and roommate both loved it though. My girlfriend I can forgive because she doesn't like beer and tends to stick to fruitier tasting drinks (though she does like Abita's Purple Haze), but I'm disappointed in my roommate. I finally thought I had him weaned off of weak beer. He's been drinking it like a fish, though. Ah well.

[fretlessman71]

You might want to get a set of paddles like they have in the emergency room just in case he likes them a little "too" much... :rolleyes:

[Crna_Ruka]

Originally posted by JohnBarleycorn
Has anyone other than myself been stupid enought to try this disgusting crap?

I tried it! Ha! IT'S HORRIBLE!

[brewcrew76]

I tried it last year when it first came out. It tasted like a mix of Bud and Red bull. I thought if I poured a glass at about 60% Bud, 40% red bull I would come up with the same drink. Pretty disgusting but I did get the usual caffeine rush/energy boost I get from Red Bull.