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Bruno_78
03-09-2005, 05:46 PM
Is there a beer version of a Sommelier?
HogieWan
03-09-2005, 06:15 PM
Beer Geek
steveh
03-09-2005, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by HogieWan
Beer Geek

LOL! Works for me!

At The Firkin I usually just say, "Hey - you."

Okay, not really - I actually know the names of my regular bar-tenders - There's Marsha, Diane, Michelle, Courtney, Cody, Dave, and Rich. ;)

S.
studentofbeer
03-09-2005, 06:40 PM
there should be, or sommliers should be trained to incorporate beer into their repetoire. I know garrett oliver writes about going head-to-head against sommliers at cooking schools in trying to pair a drink with a certain item, and often he comes out ahead of the sommlier with his beer selection.
brewmonkey
03-09-2005, 08:04 PM
Have you ever seen the test to become a Sommelier? I have a friend who has literally spent close to $100K to become one and is sitting for the test next year.

As for an equivalent I would say anyone who has earned their DMB (Diploma Master Brewer). Where and how often the tests are given I do not know but they used to be given only in England at Herriot Watt IIRC.
chazwicke
03-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Are was as snobbish as the wine drinkers?
Bruno_78
03-09-2005, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by brewmonkey
Have you ever seen the test to become a Sommelier? I have a friend who has literally spent close to $100K to become one and is sitting for the test next year.


Why would you have to spend that kind of money to become one?
zoom6zoom
03-09-2005, 09:31 PM
As for an equivalent I would say anyone who has earned their DMB (Diploma Master Brewer)

That would be more than equivalent in my opinion... after all the "smellier" does not create the beverage while the master brewer does. Perhaps a better match would be an accredited Beer Judge.
Tweek
03-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by zoom6zoom
That would be more than equivalent in my opinion...

I disagree. Currently there is nothing for the beer world that I am aware of that can master that of the sommelier of the wine world.

A master sommelier can tell you the vintage, the winemaker, the vineyard, the grape and the blend all by smelling it. I would like to see one guy that can do that with beer. People can turn their nose up all they want at the sommeliers, but there is a reason that there is only a handfull of master level people in teh enitre world.
brewmonkey
03-09-2005, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Bruno_78
Why would you have to spend that kind of money to become one?

Traveling to the different places to sample wine, learn the culture, understand the growing regions etc...

The test has a wide range of topics which include the above and many more and is amazingly difficult. It is not unusual for someome to fail it several times and in the US each year very few do so

The test is amazingly difficult and at the top level there are usually only 2 or 3 that achieve that rank each year in the US.
brewmonkey
03-09-2005, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by zoom6zoom
That would be more than equivalent in my opinion... after all the "smellier" does not create the beverage while the master brewer does. Perhaps a better match would be an accredited Beer Judge.

I am with Tweek. Brewing it and understanding the entire process is one thing, what a sommelier knows about wines would make me like a cherry brewer.

Look up the info on what it takes to even sit for the sommelier test, at the basic level, and then say that a DMB or the AME is the same. Look at the Master level for the sommelier and you will find that in the last 5 years no more the 5 people in the US achieve it in a given year, and I think 2004 was the top year with 4, other then that it is 2 or 3 a year.
steveh
03-10-2005, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by chazwicke
Are was as snobbish as the wine drinkers?

Have you seen Sideways? ;)

S.
Bruno_78
03-10-2005, 06:54 AM
Sideways was awsome! One of the best movies I've seen in a long time.
steveh
03-10-2005, 07:23 AM
Tell me you didn't just about split when Miles was showing Jack how to "appreciate" a glass of wine? And no, I'm not slamming wine drinkers - I just saw a lot of "beer geek" in the "wine geek!"

S.

"I dunno, tastes pretty good to me." Jack
threecb
03-10-2005, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by studentofbeer
there should be, or sommliers should be trained to incorporate beer into their repetoire. I know garrett oliver writes about going head-to-head against sommliers at cooking schools in trying to pair a drink with a certain item, and often he comes out ahead of the sommlier with his beer selection.

I was at that seminar! I was talking to someone about the experience and they told me that he wrote about it in TBT. I have to pick that book up.
Bruno_78
03-10-2005, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by steveh
Tell me you didn't just about split when Miles was showing Jack how to "appreciate" a glass of wine? And no, I'm not slamming wine drinkers - I just saw a lot of "beer geek" in the "wine geek!"

S.

"I dunno, tastes pretty good to me." Jack

That was one of many scenes that caused me to laugh out loud in a movie theatre, not something I do often!
chazwicke
03-10-2005, 10:34 AM
Are you a Merlot drinker?:D
Bruno_78
03-10-2005, 10:52 AM
"If anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any f -- Merlot."
steveh
03-10-2005, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Bruno_78
That was one of many scenes that caused me to laugh out loud in a movie theatre, not something I do often!

And pouring the dump-bucket all over himself!! :D

S.
chazwicke
03-10-2005, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by Bruno_78
"If anyone orders Merlot, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any f -- Merlot."

I've not seen the movie yet but have heard about that part several times.
steveh
03-10-2005, 01:42 PM
The wine is more of an accent to the movie Chaz, not a big player - just helps to set the stage, but it's a good stage.

S.
chazwicke
03-10-2005, 02:07 PM
I look forward to seeing it.
Bruno_78
03-10-2005, 02:10 PM
I'm not a wine drinker, thought I'm considering it more and more often. But there are parts in the movie, such as the tasting session that Steve described earlier, than can be appreciated by beer lovers alike. But he's right, there's a deeper message buried underneath all the wine!
chazwicke
03-10-2005, 02:33 PM
I like wine too and sometimes enjoy it with meals but I'm no expert.
steveh
03-10-2005, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Bruno_78
there's a deeper message buried underneath all the wine!

Not to mention the writing and acting are outstanding in projecting that message (or two).

S.

"Hey, they hit into us!" LOL!