#9 and Ketchup

[chefmegan]

I am so excited that you all liked my idea to start this board. I wanted to let you know about a phenomenon I encounters a few months ago when my friend ordered a basket of fries while we were out at a bar. I was drinking Magic Hat #9, and enjoying it well enough on its own when I dipped a French fry in Hines Ketchup and popped it in my mouth. There as an instant flavor explosion in your mouth. The slight apricot flavor in the beer and the tomato sweetness of the Ketchup is remarkable.

I know you are thinking …French fries, ketchup, beer, what’s the big deal? I ask you to reconsider the typical combination and try #9 with your next basket of fries. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Cheers!

[fretlessman71]

Hey - if french fries and chocolate shakes work well together, why not fries, Heinz ketchup (good taste chefmegan!:) ), and #9... although in lieu of that I may have to go with a 90 Shilling instead.....

[BluesHarp]

"Heinz" ketchup? NEVER!!! oops, sorry...no politics...:D

[fretlessman71]

Hey - I can't help it if they make the best ketchup in the world, you know? There is simply no comparison... we buy it by the case!

[steveh]

Um, folks - as moderator of this forum I'd like to swing the discussion back to food. I mean, c'mon - ketchup? Or is it catsup? ;)

S.

Fret, by the case? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I had such high regard for you once...

[HogieWan]

My g/f uses fries as a spoon for her ketchup.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by steveh
Um, folks - as moderator of this forum I'd like to swing the discussion back to food. I mean, c'mon - ketchup? Or is it catsup? [/SIZE] AHEM....... Ketchup - not catsup, which is what your kitties do at dinnertime - IS food! :D

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
AHEM....... Ketchup - not catsup, which is what your kitties do at dinnertime - IS food!

Sorry perfesser: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=catsup

And it's only food in the same definition of BMC as beer! :eek:

S.

Next you'll be telling me it's your favorite pasta sauce...but if you tell me you're topping a steak with it, I'll have to hunt you down!

[fretlessman71]

Don't eat steak... but my wife likes it on her baked potato! :eek:

Even I won't go THAT far....

[mlsuggs]

Not to cast aspersions at anyone's mother, but... :)
Actually, my mother has done the ketchup/steak thing.

Younger daughter also enjoys using fries as "ketchup spoons." But then, she's also been seen using baby carrots, celery sticks, pretzel sticks, etc., as such.

Growing up, ketchup was a food group in my house.

(And with proper doctoring, a palatable pasta sauce *can* be made with it... Although I prefer to make mine from scratch.)

--Misha

[hops99]

Forget regular, bland BMC-esque ketchup that you buy in the grocery stores (Heinz, Hunt's etc.). I've been hooked on Boar's Head Jalapeno Ketchup for the last year or so - great stuff!

[steveh]

Originally posted by mlsuggs
Not to cast aspersions at anyone's mother, but...
Actually, my mother has done the ketchup/steak thing.

I had an uncle who used to plop it on a good filet (is that redundant?) - he never knew how close he always came to my father wringing his neck!

(And with proper doctoring, a palatable pasta sauce *can* be made with it... Although I prefer to make mine from scratch.)

At least you haven't completely lost it! ;)

I have too many Italian friends who would wring my neck for using catsup as a base to pasta sauce!

Hops - now that sounds interesting!

S.

[hops99]

Oh, Jalapeno Ketchup mixed with scrambled eggs in the morning is de-licious...

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by mlsuggs
And with proper doctoring, a palatable pasta sauce *can* be made with it... Although I prefer to make mine from scratch.

--Misha


When I lived at the fraternity house, the guy across the hall made tomato soup out of ketchup.

Recipe:
5 or 6 packets of ketchup
Tony's Cajun Seasoning
Water

- Yum!

[newportstorm]

Another condiment to reach for instead of ketchup - Salsa Lizano:

http://www.lizanosales.com/index_files/page0002.html

One of the first things I noticed in Costa Rica - it's everywhere, for every meal! Breakfast (on eggs & sausage), lunch (on beans & rice), dinner (meat marinade), snacktime (use as a dip). Had to bring some home. Good stuff.

Can't really think of a "proper" beer pairing. I was stuck with pilsner-type beers for the most part (aside from one dark lager).

Cheers!

[davesarman]

Originally posted by newportstorm
One of the first things I noticed in Costa Rica - it's everywhere, for every meal!


That just made me think of the bit on Seinfeld - "I ordered seltzer, not salsa!" :p

[wortchillergoal]

Originally posted by steveh
Um, folks - as moderator of this forum I'd like to swing the discussion back to food. I mean, c'mon - ketchup? Or is it catsup? ;)

S.

Fret, by the case? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I had such high regard for you once...

I can't remember if it was Bush or Regan, I think Bush, called ketchup a vegtable.

[BluesHarp]

...everyone knows it's a fruit...

BTW...there is a Tobasco brand ketchup that is excellent!

[hops99]

I can't remember if it was Bush or Regan, I think Bush, called ketchup a vegtable.

Nope - it was Reagan. He was trying to get ketchup approved as a "vegetable" for school lunch standards.

[SoxyinMO]

I like a nice porter with my french fries. And y'all can keep the ketchup, and the catsup ;) I'll take curry sauce on my home made fries every time!

[fretlessman71]

Do you make your curry sauce with beer? You could post the recipe.... :)

[mlsuggs]

I've grown fond of Red Robin's "spice-blend" for fries. In a pinch, Old Bay seasoning works pretty well, too. :D Just add a dash of cayenne, and there you are! (I'm fond of adding a jot of Tabasco to my ketchup...)

And, actually, when in Georgia (the country, not the state) last, I stumbled across a sauce they do there. Can't remember the name, off the top of my head--Nasharabi? Masharabi? somesuch--but it basically amounts to pomegranate juice boiled down to a syrup. *YUMMY*. Excellent on fish. I'd imagine it'd be great on fries, too.

Hmmm... Wondering what "flavor explosion" effect a good beer would have on it... (Somebody remind me to talk about brews and brewing in Georgia, sometime.)

--Misha

[zoom6zoom]

I've been making my own ketchup for years. None of that bright red commercial crap for me. And the house smells great after it's spent all day cooking down in the crockpot.

[fretlessman71]

Got a recipe for beer ketchup? Might be really nice made with a good smoky Schwartzbier.... :)

[SoxyinMO]

Fret asked :
Do you make your curry sauce with beer? You could post the recipe....

Sorry I missed this for so long. Baseballitis kicking in I guess ;) This recipe is actually adapted from an old 1950's State of Maine Seafoods cookbook. (I collect wacky old cookbooks.)

4 T butter
1 small onion chopped
1 T chopped bell pepper
1/4 C chopped celery
3 T flour
1 C water
1 C dark beer (like porter)
Curry powder to taste (1/2 t for the mild-hearted, 2 T for the brave, more or less depending on the type of curry.)
3 drops or so Tabasco Sauce or Red Hot


In a large sauce pan, melt butter; saute onion, bell pepper and celery until soft. Put into a blender and puree until smooth. Put back into saucepan.

Turn heat to med.; add flour gradually, stirring until well blended. Slowly add water, stirring with a whisk to keep lumps to a minimum. Stir in the beer; turn heat to med/med-high and cook 3-4 minutes, or until sauce begins to thicken. Stir in Tabasco or Red Hot. Remove from heat.

If you make this ahead of time, reheat over a double boiler for added flavor.

[chazwicke]

I never eat ketchup. On anything. Fries are meant to either have malt vinegar poured over them and then salted OR they should be dipped in mayonaise. That is my fav.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by newportstorm
Another condiment to reach for instead of ketchup - Salsa Lizano:

http://www.lizanosales.com/index_files/page0002.html

One of the first things I noticed in Costa Rica - it's everywhere, for every meal! Breakfast (on eggs & sausage), lunch (on beans & rice), dinner (meat marinade), snacktime (use as a dip). Had to bring some home. Good stuff.

Can't really think of a "proper" beer pairing. I was stuck with pilsner-type beers for the most part (aside from one dark lager).

Cheers!

I don't recall seeing this sauce. I'll look for it on the next trip. And you are right the beer scene there is somewhat lacking. I found several different beers and on an earlier thread someone said San Jose has a micro somewhere.

[fretlessman71]

I will maintain that Heinz Ketchup is a food group unto itself, and there will be no swaying me from my opinion. :)

[chefmegan]

Wow…who knew there would be so much controversy over Heinz Ketchup. I merely wanted to point out a discovery I had made. Clearly, as a student of culinary arts, I know there are many complex and more grownup condiments than the ubiquitous tomato products that we are all familiar with.

I offer you a recipe from my Garde Manger textbook - a ketchup made from yellow bell peppers.

I hope you enjoy this.

Yellow Pepper Ketchup, Yield: 1 quart

2 lbs. Yellow peppers, seeded and chopped
4 Jalapenos, seeded and chopped
2 Large Onions, chopped
2 tbsp Garlic, chopped
Vegetable or Olive Oil
¾ c. Red Wine Vinigar
¾ c. Sugar
Salt
Pepper

1. Saute the vegetables in oil until tender but not browned, about 12 minutes
2. Add the vinegar and sugar and simmer for about 40 minutes.
3. Puree in blender or food processor until smooth.
4. Season with salt and pepper. Add more sugar or vinegar if you wish.
5. Cool and store under refrigeration for up to 2 weeks.




Recipe from Garde Manger: the art and craft of the cold kitchen. The Culinary Institute of America, 2000.

[fretlessman71]

OK - now, to REALLY win us over, how would you change this to add beer instead of red wine vinegar? :)

[fretlessman71]

Oh, yeah - and have you and your classmates discussed which ketchup is the best, Heinz, Hunt's, or otherwise? ;)

[Bruno_78]

Ok, so for over two weeks now, there has been a new "topic" on this site combining BOTH of my favorite hobbies, Beer, and FOOD! Somehow I did not notice any of this until today. And since I enjoy eating so much, I feel I need to contribute.

Fret, I'm with you man, Ketchup is the universal condiment. And Heinz, as much as I don't like supporting he institution behind it, is the best in my opinion. However, I have recently found a generic brand that is of the same quality but about a third the price. The name escapes me now. Hunt's is about the worst I've tried.

When my mother was over for a cookout last spring, she made the comment, "well, you can always count on Bill having good ketchup, that's for sure"!

Chaz!!! Malt Vinegar??? Come on man! are you talking about the stuff that's on table at Long John's? I don't even know what that stuff is! Mayo on the other hand is the second best universal condiment after ketchup. So I'm sure you can appreciate my appreciation for a good Big Mac with that "special" sauce! Actually, I can't stand McDonalds.

Thousand Island salad dressing is The Best!

Steve, what in the heck is wrong with ketchup on a steak? I know, I appreciate a good dipping in something like A-1 steak sauce, but come on, you can't get any better! Actually, I think that ketchup was invented by the first guy that butchered a cow, Fred was his name, I think, and he created it to match the steak perfectly.

[fretlessman71]

Much as I love Heinz, I think I draw the line at putting it on a steak. Burgers were chopped up so you wouldn't know what a louse piece of meat it was in the first place, and ketchup covers what the butcher couldn't. Now, a really nice piece of meat deserves to be cooked medium well, juicy (no pink), and have maybe a little bit of salt on it (or at the most, A-1 or Worcestershire sauce).

I like taking 2 tbsp ketchup, 2 tbsp fat-free mayo (too creamy for me otherwise), and a dab or two of Sierra Nevada Porter Mustard, mixing it very well, and dipping my fries in THAT. Now THERE'S a meal worth fighting for! :D

[chazwicke]

Kethcup has no place in the culinary world. Well maybe the pepper version that chefmegan posted.

Mayo is the best for fries

Bruno, obviously you have never had the world famous Thrashers Fries. Vinegar and salt are all you need. (I think the salt and vinegar potato chips idea came from this.) Also in England you'll often find the vinegar in the fish and chip shops.

Do they still even have Long John Silvers restaurants? I try my darndest never to patronize chain fast food shops of any ilk. I like decent food and there is obviously a reason why I am fat.

:D

A good steak should never have to be masked by any kind of "steak sauce". A-1=YUCK.

Most steak places that I eat at don't even have that type of condiment. They whould be horrified to see someone using it.

The best Dressing is Blue Cheese.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by mlsuggs
Not to cast aspersions at anyone's mother, but...
Actually, my mother has done the ketchup/steak thing.

Younger daughter also enjoys using fries as "ketchup spoons." But then, she's also been seen using baby carrots, celery sticks, pretzel sticks, etc., as such.

Growing up, ketchup was a food group in my house.

(And with proper doctoring, a palatable pasta sauce *can* be made with it... Although I prefer to make mine from scratch.)

--Misha

My 2 year old is a ketchup freak and does not waste time with the fries, he uses a spoon for his bowl of ketchup. :eek:

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by brewmonkey
My 2 year old is a ketchup freak and does not waste time with the fries, he uses a spoon for his bowl of ketchup. :eek: Starting them off on the right foot, I see... well done Brewmonkey!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Kethcup has no place in the culinary world. Did your mother have any kids that lived? Sheesh... ;)

Absolutely NO idea what's good, right, Bruno? (Except when it comes to beer, of course...)

[chazwicke]

I'm not even sure I could discuss this subject anymore. Anyone who would ruin steak with ketchup.

[fretlessman71]

Naah-naah-naah-I-can't-hear-you-OHH-SAY-CAN-YOU-SEEEEE...

[fretlessman71]

I love this - we hold great respect and regard for each other's opinions when it comes to beer, and we act in a civilized manner.

But start talking about ketchup and the fighting words erupt... :D

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Naah-naah-naah-I-can't-hear-you-OHH-SAY-CAN-YOU-SEEEEE...

ROFLMAO!!

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I'm not even sure I could discuss this subject anymore. Anyone who would ruin steak with ketchup.

Agreed. Next thing you know, he'll say he puts it on his hot dogs too.

S.

[fretlessman71]

Hot Dogs, bratwurst, eggs, baloney sandwiches, hash browns... you betcha.:) And who told you weird Chicagoans to put peppers on your brats, anyway? The same people who told you to make your pizza crusts an inch thick?

[Bruno_78]

Alright Fret, NOW you crossed the line.

A hot dog (all beef, of course) should have peppers as well as ketchup, and pizza SHOULD be thick. Who wants pizza toppings on a cracker crust, anyway?

[fretlessman71]

When you come to town, I'm feeding you Pizza Casbah - you'll change your tune in a jiffy! Goes great with Odell's 90 Shilling. :)

[fretlessman71]

Oh yeah - no steak for me at all, my hot dogs and brats are made by the Boca company, and my baloney is all turkey meat. Have I offended everyone yet or should I keep going? :D

[chazwicke]

OK now that HOT DOGS have been broached.......Only two ingredients are essential. Mustard and chopped onion. Everything else is great, sauerkraut, chili but the two essential condiments for hot dogs are mustard and chopped onion. That being said, I hardly ever eat hot dogs.

[fretlessman71]

Remind me not to kiss you when I meet you, chaz.... ;)

[Bruno_78]

And either relish or a spear....

And Fret, you think everything goes well with 90/-.

[Bruno_78]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Remind me not to kiss you when I meet you, chaz.... ;)

I don't think you'll be tempted!

Just kidding chaz.

Wait...
No I'm not! I mean, uh.....

I do NOT want to kiss you!

[fretlessman71]

Thanks for clarifying, Bruno... we all feel better now.

[Bruno_78]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Thanks for clarifying, Bruno... we all feel better now.

Whew, so do I!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Bruno_78
I don't think you'll be tempted!

Just kidding chaz.

Wait...
No I'm not! I mean, uh.....

I do NOT want to kiss you!

After you went and got my hopes up?

LOL!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by chazwicke
After you went and got my hopes up?

LOL! Alright, alRIGHT- Chaz, Bruno, Thanks for playing Too Much Information. Now back to your corners. :rolleyes:

[chazwicke]

Shucks! I wonder if I could get my wife to wear an alien from the future monkey beard disguise.

[fretlessman71]

I think there's another forum on another website better suited for posts like that, chaz.... :)

[chazwicke]

OK, OK enough is enough.

[steveh]

Who crossed the line?

Harry Callahan: "No, what upsets me is to watch you stuff your face with that hot dog! I mean, nobody, nobody puts ketchup on a hot dog!"

And Fret, we have thin, pan, stuffed, and double-decker 'za here in Chicago. The thin is nothing like the sloppy NYC stuff, the pan is probably my favorite - a crust that turns and just rises the side of a deep pan, creating a nice "bowl" for the ingredients. The stuffed is the quintessential Chi pizza, but I think we swiped that from the Sicillians. http://www.conniespizza.com/intro.php

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
And who told you weird Chicagoans to put peppers on your brats, anyway?

Coming from a Scandahoovian, I can only say - figures. Lutkfisk anyone?

S.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by steveh
Lutkfisk anyone?
Never heard of it. ;)

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Never heard of it. ;)

Denial, huh?

S.

[fretlessman71]

Never been to the motherland. :)

[steveh]

Oh, they've brought it over here too... http://www.surfminnesota.net/lutfisk.html

2 days in lye - yech.

S.

[Bruno_78]

Originally posted by steveh
Lutkfisk anyone?

S.

Reminds me of that episode of "king of the hill"

I love that show.

[Bruno_78]

Ok, so I'm with steve on the deep dish pizza. Next time I'm in town, You'll have to take me somewhere that has a good example. I'll do the same if you're in S.B. We've got one place here that does a wonderful deep dish. There's also another place that is first generation italian, but their pizz is not thick. It's still about the best in town though.

[SoxyinMO]

That's the thing I hate about St. Louis Pizza : Cracker for a crust :eek:

Okay for an appetizer if you pretend it's some pizza-esque treat, but for a meal?!?!?!? Give me crust!

[Bruno_78]

Ok, well I'm sure I'm going to be chastised for this, but I had johnsonville italian sausage for dinner tonight. AND it was smothered in ketchup, and relish.

...and a snack pack for dessert.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by steveh
Who crossed the line?

Harry Callahan: "No, what upsets me is to watch you stuff your face with that hot dog! I mean, nobody, nobody puts ketchup on a hot dog!"

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S.

Dirty Harry was correct! Mustard and oinions! Only then may you add the kraut or chili if desired.

[Bruno_78]

I have to do this, only because it's one of the greatest theatrical scenes in history. And Just for the record, I did NOT get us on this topic!


I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kind of lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?

[tarapin]

Originally posted by steveh
Fret, we have thin, pan, stuffed, and double-decker 'za here in Chicago. The thin is nothing like the sloppy NYC stuff.

Have you ever had NY pizza? And if you have, what part of NY? The only sloppy NY pizza I've had is a 2am drunken call to Dominoes, which hasn't been for years but thats about it.
And the only people I see putting ketchup on their hot dogs are under the age of 10, yuck.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Bruno_78
I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kind of lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk? Hey - you sounded just like Dirty Harry just then......! :D

[steveh]

Originally posted by tarapin
Have you ever had NY pizza?

Have seen (never tried it, didn't look good) what was advertised as "New York Style" Pizza in Boston, Maine, St. Louis, and Berkely, CA. The type that is so sloppy, you have to fold the triangle slice in half (lengthwise) to hold it to your mouth. And no, they weren't Dominos - double yech.

On the other hand, I have had what has been advertised as "East Coast Pizza," the Piece brew-pub in Chi makes this style and it's very good. Semi-thick crust with a variety of toppings - including the "white pizza" that uses a mozzarella, garlic and oil topping instead of a tomato sauce. http://www.piecechicago.com/

And the only people I see putting ketchup on their hot dogs are under the age of 10, yuck.

Heard that same thing last night when discussing this subject - good point!

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Hey - you sounded just like Dirty Harry just then......!

Well, let's not get too carried away now... ;)

S.

[threecb]

Originally posted by steveh
Have seen (never tried it, didn't look good) what was advertised as "New York Style" Pizza in Boston, Maine, St. Louis, and Berkely, CA.

On the other hand, I have had what has been advertised as "East Coast Pizza," the Piece brew-pub in Chi makes this style


If it wasn't in New York, then it wasn't New York!

And Piece is actually billed as New Haven style Pizza. And it was very good at Piece.

Me, I like Pizza. Any kind of Pizza. Mostly.

[steveh]

Originally posted by threecb
If it wasn't in New York, then it wasn't New York!

Whatever. Then don't go over to UNO's any more and have that "Chicago Style" pizza, 'cause it's really in New Jersey...you know? ;)

And Piece is actually billed as New Haven style Pizza.

New Haven's not on the East Coast any more? Where'd it go?! ;-)

S.

[threecb]

Originally posted by steveh
Whatever. Then don't go over to UNO's any more and have that "Chicago Style" pizza, 'cause it's really in New Jersey...you know?



New Haven's not on the East Coast any more? Where'd it go?!

S.

Uno's isn't real Chicago Style. You can't fool me!

Oh, New Haven's on the East Coast, but so is Norfolk, VA and I wouldn't seek out Pizza from there!;)

[steveh]

Originally posted by threecb
Uno's isn't real Chicago Style. You can't fool me!

Closest you'll get out there! Many nay-sayers snub the chain UNO's, but they aren't bad and make a reasonable version of the typical Chicago stuffed (first made popular by UNO's, too). Check above for my link to Connie's, though - my personal city fave.

Bruno - I just had a marketing brainstorm! Your brew-pub can specialize in pizza and you can call it Brew-no's! :)

Oh, New Haven's on the East Coast, but so is Norfolk, VA and I wouldn't seek out Pizza from there!

Duly noted.

S.

[threecb]

I think the farther away from the source, the less true to style Uno's is. They don't offer stuffed pizza at the Uno's I go to. But they are the only one with beer brewed on the premises!

Back in the 80's in my hometown there was a Pizzeria that made awesome stuffed pizza, though. It was a weird highbred of New York and Chicago styles, but it was GOOD!

Back to the topic:

Down with Ketchup (or however you wanna spell it!), especially on Hot Dogs!
Malt Vinegar rawks on Fries, but they have to be substantial fries, like steak cut.
No Mayo for me, thanks.
Big fan of Mustards, though. Hot, spicy, course ground, honey, whatever!

[chazwicke]

I'm no expert on pizza. I don't eat it that often anymore. I like it though. What is a "Sicilian" pizza. I will say that the reason I don't eat it that often is that the chains, Dominos, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, and that ilk all have nasty stuff. I once worked for a pizza place back in the 70s. They had good New York style pizza. But they are long gone. A general rule of thumb for me is to go to the mom and pop shops. They are not always great but are usually better than the chains. Plus I don't mind supporting local businesses. I remember as a kid there was a Greek restauraunt that made pizza with sesame seeds on the crust. Yum.

And I'm also no hot dog expert but ketchup!? Come on. Yuck!

[tarapin]

Mustard RULES, I love it on my burger and on my fries. Just about anything goes with mustard, especially hot dogs with kraut and relish, yum.

And I am sorry, if the pizza is NOT made in New York it is NOT NY pizza. If you ever have a slice from a real Manhattan Pizzaria, believe me you will not be disappointed. I am not knocking any other style just defending what I know.;)

[Bruno_78]

I could eat pizza every day, for every meal!

[chazwicke]

You and my son. He loves it. He is a picky eater. I have to pay him to get him to try other foods. He made $40.00 once for eating two raw oysters. (I love oysters) and I had to bribe him to try some Blue Stilton one time.

[tarapin]

How old is your son? I know with my oldest nephew, who is five I just tell him try it once and if you don't like it you never have to eat it again. That how he started eating steamed clams with butter last year now he loves them and if that doesn't work I usually get away with bribing him with a pack of gum.:D

[chazwicke]

My son is 18. I have always tried to get him to try different thing but he is very picky. I'm hoping he will still aquire the taste for good food someday. He is happy with pizza, top ramon noodles, mashed potatos and worst of all....Taco Bell! YUCK. He has been trying better steaks now when we go out. He also loves Hard Times' chili.

[chazwicke]

And NO he does not put ketchup on his steaks!

[tarapin]

I figured he was at least a teen by the $40.00 pay off for the oysters. Did he gag on em'? I figured I start young on my nephews and niece liking new and weird things. My nephew loves garlic knots, chili, clams, kielbasa and list keeps growing. I'm lucky my family has given me free rein on testing their children, as long as in doesn't hurt them, like anything too hot or spicy.:D

[chazwicke]

Yeah He did gag and that was worth the 40.00. It was really funny. He hated eating the stilton which I had slathered all over a large thin cracker. He is actually starting to taste things more now. When he was a kid he tried things but often did not like them. It is very good to start them young.

[tarapin]

I'm 34 and I didn't like stilton until about 5 or 6 years ago, defintly an acquired taste. But now with a good porter or stout, yummy.

[davesarman]

I, too, was a very picky eater in my teens. Somewhere along the line, though I became more adventurous and am always willing to try new things. (Except for Rocky Mountain Oysters. The American Legion in my hometown in SD has a Rocky Mtn. Oyster feed every year, and I still have yet to go.) My 19 month old son, so far is fairly adventurous when it comes to food. You should have seen the look my wife gave me when she saw him eating the pickled herring his grandpa and I were giving him at Christmas. He, too, loves ketchup and would eat it plain, if I gave it to him that way. Olives, too. I think he'd eat olives until he got sick. (That almost happened at Thanksgiving.) I read somewhere that the broader the range of food you can get your toddler to eat, the less fussy they are later on in life....

[tarapin]

The earlier the better, When I was younger my gram would cook everything smothered in gravies and onions with mushrooms and peppers and never picked anything out for the kids and we all grew up loving that kind of stuff. If all they ever eat is PB&J and chicken nuggets they'll be fussy. I love your sign off at the bottom...blank economics, anyone anyone voo doo economics. The movie was a classic for my (our generation?).

[threecb]

I was never terribly picky, but expanded my horizons as I got older. Now I'll try just about anything.

But if worse came to worst, I'm with Bruno. I could eat pizza all the time, man. Just in that one food there's so many variations!

[fretlessman71]

Same here - unless Domino's was the only option (guess I'd have to make it from scratch at that point)!

[chazwicke]

A piece of pita smothered in ketchup?

[fretlessman71]

Hey - my first solid food was baloney slices dipped in ketchup. My mom even cut them into little pizza-shaped slices!

[davesarman]

When I was a kid, on the very rare occaisions that Mom would be away and Dad would have to cook for us, it was usually fried baloney sandwiches (with ketchup, of course...) mmmmm.....:rolleyes:

[fretlessman71]

Hey - did you fry your baloney right on the hot burner of the stove? That's my wife's FAVORITE... but boy, you better have the windows open when you do that! :)

[chazwicke]

I suppose you guys also eat SPAM? uh oh....

[fretlessman71]

NO. WE ARE NOT GOING THERE AGAIN. NO MORE. :rolleyes:

[fretlessman71]

;)

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
A piece of pita smothered in ketchup?

Pita is being nice - I always said corrugated cardboard!

S.

...must...not...sing... Oooh, I love... stop! stop!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by steveh
Pita is being nice - I always said corrugated cardboard!

S. I think he's referring to my culinary expertise and gourmet tastes, steve. ;)

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
I think he's referring to my culinary expertise and gourmet tastes, steve. ;)

I figured he was helping you match the style...

S.

spam - spam - spam - ALRIGHT! Enough of this silliness!

[chazwicke]

And now for something completely differ..... Dang! Fret, I tried!

And speaking of Pita, I once attended a free concert on the national mall sponsored by the "other" PETA. I wore a Fort Worth Stock Yards shirt featuring a steer. They were not amused. And I almost got clocked when I asked if anyone brought a habachi:D

[Bruno_78]

We have a computer file for each of our customers, and we can put a flag on the account that whenever we try to pull it up, a big "STOP" flashes on the screen. Then it takes you to the notes for the account, and we often put "PITA" in there, Pain In The A**!!

[BluesHarp]

WoW...this thing took off....OK:

1) ketchup - Roundy's generic, can go on burgers and fries.

2)Mustard - any kind if not too sweet, goes on damn near anything. I like aged brick dipped in beer mustard.

3) Steaks - maybe a little steak sauce, but preferably some Jim Beam hot sauce.

4) Hot dogs - NO SKINLESS, what do you think God gave you teeth for?!? mustard and onions

5) Brats (only midwesterners will truly know what I am talking about) I like Usingers; Johnsonville are highly over-rated - they shrink down too much and have chunks of....I don't know - snouts?...the size of small dogs in them.

6) Malt vinegar - good on baked potatoes

7) Spam - my wife used to be a rep for Hormel; Spam can be used to make an excellent spread for pizza bread...really.

8) Pizza (nice segue, eh?) - if it can be put on a "cracker" thin crust, you don't have enough toppings. I will eat a few frozen ones - Connie's, Freschetta (sp?) stuffed crust, and occasionally Tombstone, if I hit it with some black pepper and Southwest Specialty Food's "Seasoning from Hell" Habanero salt-free seasoning.
I like spicy sauce, and lots of cheese...

9) Chaz's son hustled him out of $40...(hahahaha!)

....and finally:

10) It is Friday night in Wisconsin, which can only mean one thing: FISH FRY!!!, with fries (yes, and ketchup), rye bread w/butter, and tartar sauce.
I washed mine down with Lakefront Organic ESB, which seems a little hoppier than usual this batch.

Thank you for your time! :D

OH...almost forgot:

11) Baloney...REAL baloney, not the stuff in the plastic "tub" with the peel off top. I'm talkin' good old, farm-raised, butcher shop balongna...fried up, served with mustard, potato pancakes, and applesauce

[chazwicke]

I have not eaten spam in probably 25 -30 years. But I do eat that famous old Pennsylvania Dutch staple.......Scrapple. Nothing like butcher fresh scrapple for breakfast.

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by chazwicke
And now for something completely differ..... Dang! Fret, I tried!

And speaking of Pita, I once attended a free concert on the national mall sponsored by the "other" PETA. I wore a Fort Worth Stock Yards shirt featuring a steer. They were not amused. And I almost got clocked when I asked if anyone brought a habachi:D



I thought PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals. No??? Hmmm...

Also: If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

Just a thought.

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I have not eaten spam in probably 25 -30 years. But I do eat that famous old Pennsylvania Dutch staple.......Scrapple. Nothing like butcher fresh scrapple for breakfast.


I haven't eaten spam in almost 34 years. Of course, I'm almost 34 years old.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
I haven't eaten spam in almost 34 years. Of course, I'm almost 34 years old.

Good form!!! Good form!!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
I thought PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals. No??? Hmmm...

Also: If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

Just a thought.

I could be a vegetarian until I passed the first house where they were grilling out. Just the smell would bring me back to my senses.

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Good form!!! Good form!!



:D

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I could be a vegetarian until I passed the first house where they were grilling out. Just the smell would bring me back to my senses.



Amen, Brother!!!!

[BluesHarp]

Incisors weren't designed to grind celery!:D

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
I haven't eaten spam in almost 34 years. Of course, I'm almost 34 years old. How almost? When's your birthday?

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I could be a vegetarian until I passed the first house where they were grilling out. Just the smell would bring me back to my senses. I know what you mean - I have to balance the desire to consume it with the lack of desire to suffer from food poisoning. I haven't gone near the red stuff in almost 9 years.

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
How almost? When's your birthday?


Not until August. The 3rd, to be exact.

[fretlessman71]

OK - so I have you beat by 4.5 months. 3/19/71 here.

Don't tell chaz - he'll call you a whippersnapper! ;)

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
OK - so I have you beat by 4.5 months. 3/19/71 here.

Don't tell chaz - he'll call you a whippersnapper!


Here's to 1971!

I won't tell chaz. Its just between you and me! :D

[fretlessman71]

Not muc happened in 1971, except that Hendrix died..... :(

[tarapin]

How about 1970? I'll be 35 on June 10th( birthday whore) and there is a new broadway show called Spamalot with Tim Curry, David Hyde Pierce, and Hank Azaria....bring out your dead, I think I'll go for a walk. I can't wait to see it.

[fretlessman71]

...just had a Boca Bratwurst (try 'em, they're pretty dang good for not being meat!), and, because I've been thinking of my fellow realbeer.com members, tried it with only Sierra Nevada Porter & Spicy Brown Mustard. Pretty dang good, but since I'm so used to ketchup, maybe I was looking for a more overpowering flavor. I'll experiment in the days ahead and see if I get a taste for it. Chaz, don't think I'll be doing the diced onions, though... sorry! :)

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Not muc happened in 1971, except that Hendrix died..... :(

I remember when Hendrix Died. And Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin. Even Momma Cass. You young whippersnappers!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
.. Chaz, don't think I'll be doing the diced onions, though... sorry!

Well then just a few sliced onions neatly tucked in might do the trick .;)

[SoxyinMO]

I remember when Hendrix Died. And Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin. Even Momma Cass. You young whippersnappers!

I remember sitting around the dining room table one night and my Momma putting Pearl on the Hi-Fi and my Momma crying and crying and yelling out :"Can you hear this Janis? Can you hear this?"

[chazwicke]

Yep. Pearl was a staple janis album. Played the hell out of it. My favorite Janis song is Piece of My Heart. The live version. Big Brother and the Holding Company were'nt the best band but tehy pulled that one off.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Yep. Pearl was a staple janis album. Played the hell out of it. My favorite Janis song is Piece of My Heart. The live version. Big Brother and the Holding Company were'nt the best band but tehy pulled that one off. Yep - if '57 was a good year for cars and Fender guitars, then '71 was a good year for death.... :rolleyes:

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Yep. Pearl was a staple janis album. Played the hell out of it. My favorite Janis song is Piece of My Heart. The live version. Big Brother and the Holding Company were'nt the best band but tehy pulled that one off.

"Summertime" and "Ball and Chain" are two of my favorites...and of course, "Bobbie McGee".

I have the three CD set "Janis"...lot's of good outakes and unreleased material along with all the staples.

[fretlessman71]

Janis was okay, but Jimi was TOTALLY captivating. Even old footage has me glued to the screen.

[chazwicke]

What about The Doors. Lots of great songs. Morrison as some sort of trancendant poet is inane though. I did see his grave in Paris while touring the cemetary.

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Janis was okay, but Jimi was TOTALLY captivating. Even old footage has me glued to the screen.

okay?...Okay!?...OKAY!!?? :eek:

THE most expressive, emotion-packed voice in the last 50 years...Janis laid it all out...what you heard was what was in her soul...

But, yeah, Jimi was the man when it came to guitar.

[chazwicke]

Hmmmm Maybe we should do a thread on this subject. Who has (had) the best Rock N Roll, Country, Blues, Jazz, voices out there as well as best Guitarists and bassists and drummers, Horn players, and all of that.

[SoxyinMO]

'57 was a good year for cars and Fender guitars

Not to mention the advent of both Chaz and me!

I'm painting my bathroom like a '57 Chevy. The top will be glossy turquoise, the dado rail ultra-glossy black and the wainscotting glossy white. The floor and the tub enclosure black and white, And everywhere CHROME! The only visibly car thing in there will be (if I can find it) the rear end of a '57 chevy as a light switch plate. I just can't decide where to hang the fuzzy dice ;)

[tarapin]

And where is the Ketchup in all of this?;)

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Hmmmm Maybe we should do a thread on this subject. Who has (had) the best Rock N Roll, Country, Blues, Jazz, voices out there as well as best Guitarists and bassists and drummers, Horn players, and all of that.

haha...we've made it through a presidential election, but I don't know if we can make it through a music thread!:D

But, what the hey...we can try!!

[chazwicke]

Yeah I guess you're right. It would only be a giant can of worms.

And I still do not like ketchup!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by SoxyinMO
I just can't decide where to hang the fuzzy dice ;) From the showerhead, of course!

[SoxyinMO]

ACK! Of course. Don't know WHERE my head was ;) Thanks, Fret

[SoxyinMO]

Tarapin asked :
And where is the Ketchup in all of this?

In my house it's in the refrigerator :D

[fretlessman71]

Aha! Someone else who likes their ketchup cold!

I grew up with it that way, but my wife has turned me on to room-temp. ketchup. Tastes more like it is in the restaurants (the FINE ones, that is, who have the decency to serve Heinz exclusively) this way. :)

[chazwicke]

I did not know fine restaurants even needed to serve ketchup. Maybe my definition of fine is different than yours.

[fretlessman71]

FINE. Be that way. :)

[chazwicke]

OK Fine!

[fretlessman71]

ELWAY'S has ketchup... Heinz, even. Now, they only bring it with fries, but they also serve stuff like THIS. (http://www.elways.com/Menu/Dinner.asp)

If they're too "fine" to serve ketchup should I require it, then they're just too "fine" for me. That's what *I* say. :)

[chazwicke]

They actually serve french fries?

[SoxyinMO]

Aha! Someone else who likes their ketchup cold!

One time my grandaddy left his ketchup on the kitchen table. In Virginia. In the summer. It exploded EVERYWHERE and my aunt never stopped bitching about having to clean it up. One of those things you never forget. :D

[fretlessman71]

WHAAAAAAT?!? Fermenting ketchup? Never heard of that one before. Glass or plastic bottle? What would make it different in VA than CO or TN? We left our bottles out in Gnashville with no ill effects... and we kept the place pretty dang warm.... *shrug*

Fermented ketchup.... hmmm.... chaz, I might have happened upon a tomato-based condiment that you'd approve of! :D

[chazwicke]

I like tomato juice and V8.

[fretlessman71]

So, weakened V8, then? Reminds me of a bad joke I told about a year ago.... :)

[chazwicke]

There is a time and place for everything excepting maybe ketchup.

[fretlessman71]

And just what do you expect my wife to put on her baked potatoes, then? ;)

[chazwicke]

Gross!!!

[fretlessman71]

Well, I agree with you, but really it's just a french fry turned inside out, right? But I prefer butter, sour cream and cheddar cheese..... MMMMMMMMMMMM..... :D

[SoxyinMO]

WHAAAAAAT?!? Fermenting ketchup? Never heard of that one before. Glass or plastic bottle? What would make it different in VA than CO or TN? We left our bottles out in Gnashville with no ill effects... and we kept the place pretty dang warm.... *shrug*

Glass bottle. This was before plastic became the standard. The entire story is that he left it out a few days and then went into the hospital so the house was totally closed up in July. I was 15 and had gone back to visit with my uncle and aunt. I don't know that Va. would make any more difference than Tn.; actually never thought about that! I guess because my aunt just kept going on and on about leaving a bottle of ketchup out on the table in Virgina, "who does that?" she said. But, yeah, ketchup definitely ferments. And since glass doesn't expand and contract like plastic...glass shatters.

And while red and green may be complementary colors, dried ketchup on sea-foam walls is NOT a pretty sight. :eek:

And then there was the time my daughter was almost blinded by an exploding wine bottle that had been used to hold orange juice.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by SoxyinMO

And then there was the time my daughter was almost blinded by an exploding wine bottle that had been used to hold orange juice. Yikes! I hope she's okay. Did it barely miss her eyes?

[chazwicke]

Yikes! That might explain why she moved to the country. Case anything else explodes.

[fretlessman71]

I wonder if I could paint my interior walls with Heinz Ketchup.... :D

[chazwicke]

You are a sad case my friend. ;)

[fretlessman71]

... and use french fries to draw designs in it while it dries! YEAH... now THAT'S the ticket! :D

[chazwicke]

:rolleyes:

[SoxyinMO]

Yikes! I hope she's okay. Did it barely miss her eyes?

It did indeed. She had made the orange juice in one of those wine jugs and had left it on the kitchen table (and catch all). Then the landlord had (illegally I may add) come in to change the windows in the back room and had piled the books and stuff I'd had under the windows up onto the table. The bottle got pushed back and forgotten for a week or so in summer. (Okay, I wasn't BEST the housekeeper back in those busy days.) Morgan (I think she was 14) moved some of the stuff around and jostled the bottle, and away it went. There was glass imbedded in the ceiling. Morgan has a small scar across her left cheekbone.

My children have had a wacky life! Ask them sometime about pumping water!

[Trashman]

Ok, I know this is a very old thread but I came across it and thought I'd throw a couple pennies at it.

Lutfisk is good, especially with a white sauce.
Beer Brats with chopped onions, warm kraut, mustard, and ketchup is heavenly
Mix ketchup and Miracle Whip together for your fries.
Herbed butter is the best condiment for steaks.
And last, pizza is great in any form I can get it, Chicago deep-dish, Thin-crust in Italy, Sparsley topped and grilled, and any other way they serve in real restaurants.