40 ounces of fury

[studentofbeer]

dunno if you guys mentioned this as ive been away from the computer for a week b/c i had to race home b/c my grandmother passed away, but have you seen dogfish head's
most recently announced brew? (http://www.dogfish.com/beer/limitededitionbeers.cfm)

40 oz. malt liquor made with 3 kinds of corn. ummm interesting.

from their email: "The next beer in line for release is the Dogfish Head Liquor de Malt. Yes, that’s Malt Liquor! We’ve made it with 3 American corns, bottled it in a convenient 40-ounce, screw top bottle, and we are even hand-stamping brown paper bags to keep it ‘under wraps’! This May 8th release is very limited (300 cases to be exact), so keep your eyes peeled! Get the skinny."

whatcha think?

[Caffinehog]

Malt liquor is the most overlooked style of beer. I am certain it is possible to make a delicious malt liquor... in fact, BYO had an article on them. If anyone can make a good malt liquor, Dogfish can do it. I applaud Dogfish for once again trying something that other craft brewers would be too scared to make.

[DreamWeaver]

Originally posted by studentofbeer
40 oz. malt liquor made with 3 kinds of corn. ummm interesting.

from their email: "The next beer in line for release is the Dogfish Head Liquor de Malt. Yes, that’s Malt Liquor! We’ve made it with 3 American corns, bottled it in a convenient 40-ounce, screw top bottle, and we are even hand-stamping brown paper bags to keep it ‘under wraps’! whatcha think?

Brown Baggin 40 oz.er's brings back some bad memories.

3 kinds of corn?.... Sweet, cream style & pop?

The next line could be: "Hey bud... Got a smoke?"

[wild]

Originally posted by DreamWeaver
The next line could be: "Hey bud... Got a smoke?"

More like, "Got a lite for my crack pipe?"

[fretlessman71]

You sure this post isn't about three weeks late? :rolleyes:

[HarkJohnny]

I'm sure presentation is better than the beer

[Brownbeard]

I have consumed lots of malt liquor in my time. What is the complaint about malt liquor? I know everyone hates the macro swills because they don't have flavor, but the same cannot be said for malt liquor. My wife still drinks Mickeys in the summer time. And, I have been known to grab an Old English on a hot day.

[chazwicke]

I'm not sure I would even classify Malt Liquor as a style. Maybe a catagory. I'll look for some of this on my next few trips through Rehobeth. Might be interesting to try.

[davesarman]

I thought "malt liquor" was more of a designation required by American government standards that relate to the alcohol content and nothing to do with the style, per se, of the beer...?

[HarkJohnny]

Originally posted by davesarman
I thought "malt liquor" was more of a designation required by American government standards that relate to the alcohol content and nothing to do with the style, per se, of the beer...?

true... look at a smirnoff ice, or one of those other "malt beverages"

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by davesarman
I thought "malt liquor" was more of a designation required by American government standards that relate to the alcohol content and nothing to do with the style, per se, of the beer...?

Agreed! In Virginia until the 80s it was called Malt LAGER because they would now allow the use of the word LIQUOR on the label. And the classifiaction was aimed at higher alcohol beers. And guess who these Malt Liquors were marketed to? Schlitz Bull, Big M - Miller Malt Liquor Colt Silver and others. By the wat the early Colt 45 commercials were kind of neat.

[capcity017]

yeah va has some weird beer rules....when I was 19 I could buy beer , colt 45 ect ect...made the gradfather clause....those after me had to wait till 21....18 in dc anyway....I was in a safeway trying to buy some malt duck ..says barley flavored bev malt liquior....anyway the guy wouldnt sell it to me...said it was a wine cooler...i said its malt liquor...no grape in it .....why can I buy the bull or 45 but no duck....????...@ss........


Has anyone been to the outterbanks brewstation?
they have this weird wild rice brew....tried it.....kind grew on me as I was pounding beers there last summer....that stuff could qualify as a good malt liquor.....

[chazwicke]

I was there in late December. I did not have the rice beer. I still like the Weeping Radish in Manteo better and German Uli Bennowitz (sp) has wonderful and funny stories about his trials and tribulations setting up a brewery in the 1980s in a dry North Carolina jurisdiction. Many novel solutions to ridiculous govt. rulings.

[chazwicke]

Where are you from Capcity?

[hopjack13]

malt liquor? hurl, ralph, barf and puke!
i wouldn't even consider them beers! colt 45, old english 800, king cobra ect. uhg, i could get a nasty hang over just from the stench of them.
still ....im curious about what the ratings are gunna be when it gets its reviews. and if dogfish head is making it and they sold it locally here i probably give it a shot.

[tyesai]

Old English is not a bad beer, at least it has some flavor.

[SAustinTX]

Surprised no one has mentioned some of the import malt liquors, such as Fischers from France. Also, isn't Spaten Optimator labelled a malt liquor on the bottle?

[chazwicke]

I remember the days of Carlsberg Elephant Malt Liquor. At the time it was considered one potent brew. If I remember it was 10%.

[unkle bik]

Originally posted by hopjack13
malt liquor? hurl, ralph, barf and puke!
i wouldn't even consider them beers! colt 45, old english 800, king cobra ect. uhg, i could get a nasty hang over just from the stench of them.
still ....im curious about what the ratings are gunna be when it

Not a big fan of malt liquor, either. It's just legalese for potent beer. You could call barleywine, "malt liquor", in the legal sense. Most were made cheap with corn & a boatload of alcohol.

However, Molson made (or still makes) an excellent product called Brador. It was labeled a "malt liquor", but it didn't fit into the stereotype. It had a classy looking label & gold foil around the neck. The taste reminded me of some of those half-baked attempts by the Amerikan megabrewers to produce a premium beer. Remember "Miller Reserve"? Meaning: they got rid of some corn & replaced it with some barley malt.
Brador was/is a decent product.

[unkle bik]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I remember the days of Carlsberg Elephant Malt Liquor. At the time it was considered one potent brew. If I remember it was 10%.

IIRC, I saw a bottle of it at Primos the other day. ABV was in the 7.5% range.

[fretlessman71]

Does anyone know if the "true definition" of a malt liquor has anything to do with the malt vs. hops content? If you make a strong, hopless beer, what do you call it?

[Theakston]

It's funny how several imports - such as Singha have "malt liquor" on the label even though they are nothing like what we would call a malt liquor in the USA - I'd call Singha a pils.

This is the definition from Ratebeer:
"Strong, alcoholic-tasting, often poorly made strong lagers. Esters, fusels and other products of undiluted high-gravity brewed beers are often commonplace. Properly served in the 40oz bottle with accompanying brown paper bag."

This article by Lew Bryson is pretty informative (and less condescending):

Malt Liquor (http://www.beveragebusiness.com/art98/mmbryson0501.html)

[unkle bik]

Nothing to do with malt content vs. hops. All legalese.
Read on:

Essentially an extra-strong American Light Lager. Also, in some parts of the US, any beer over a certain strength must legally be called "Malt Liquor".
hbd.org/uchima/glossary/glossary.html

Alcoholic beverage produced in the United States. It is made in the same manner as beer, yet it has a much higher alcoholic content. Each state sets the maximum permitted alcohol level with eight degree being the max.
drinks.glowport.com/dicm.html

An American term for a strong, pale lager, usually low in malt and hops. www.lynnwoodinn.com/content/beerterm.htm

Malt Liquor is an American term for a fairly strong lager. They are generally pale, golden colored, and have a light to medium body. Usually, they are cheaply made and are one of the most popular means for getting quickly and cheaply drunk. Also, Malt Liquor is neither malt tasting nor a liquor.

www.viennatonight.com/main/beerglos.htm

a lager of high alcohol content; by law it is considered too alcoholic to be sold as lager or beer
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

[fretlessman71]

Once I asked someone how wine was properly held when drinking, and they said "hold it right in the middle so the bag doesn't slide off." Too funny!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Theakston
It's funny how several imports - such as Singha have "malt liquor" on the label even though they are nothing like what we would call a malt liquor in the USA - I'd call Singha a pils.

This is the definition from Ratebeer:
"Strong, alcoholic-tasting, often poorly made strong lagers. Esters, fusels and other products of undiluted high-gravity brewed beers are often commonplace. Properly served in the 40oz bottle with accompanying brown paper bag."

This article by Lew Bryson is pretty informative (and less condescending):

Malt Liquor (http://www.beveragebusiness.com/art98/mmbryson0501.html)


I enjoyed that article as I always do Lew's writings. Thanks!

[MeridianFC]

I like Lew's writing too. I used to read him regularly over at rec.food.drink.beer before I got fed up with wading through all the unmoderated crap. How do we get him over here?

IMHO most, if not all, of what we percieve as Malt Liquor, that is the domestically produced beers, as opposed to imports labelled for real or imagined legal reasons, is utter crap. It's just high test versions of regular domestic swill. No offense to those who prefer said beverages.

[chazwicke]

Lew used to belong to a pre-world wide web bulliten board on the old Prodigy network that I also used to post on. Back in the early 90s. For a while iI helped gather DC area info for his column at the Malt Advocate. His brother in law lived in Richmond and lobbied the state legislature with some of us on beer related issues. I met up with several of the posters (including Lew) on that BB at an early Stoud's micro fest. I used to be much more of an activist with regard to beer issues and my old moniker on that Prodigy beer board was "Beercrank".

[steveh]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
I like Lew's writing too. I used to read him regularly over at rec.food.drink.beer before I got fed up with wading through all the unmoderated crap. How do we get him over here?

He's a member here, and posted in the past - I think he's just too busy with his own projects to be checkin' in here all the time. I get his occasional e-mail news letter too.

S.

[studentofbeer]

that website, beveragebusiness.com is pretty cool. ive been going through some of the archives and will definitely keep it on my reading list as new issues are posted.

[Theakston]

Here's a website containing all you ever needed to know and more besides about 40s of Malt Liquor:
315 40 oz. bottles of malt liquor on the wall (http://www.40ozmaltliquor.com/40ozarchive.html)

Even tasting notes. Eh Steve?

[studentofbeer]

also highly recommended is Modern Drunkard's article 40 ounces of fury (http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/03_03/03-03_forty_fury.htm), from which i stole the title of this thread. The street cred rankings are key.

[chazwicke]

That is hilarious.

[ray m]

I just read some of the reviews in the website that Theakson provided. I was laughing my butt off!! These guys are idiots!

[Theakston]

Originally posted by studentofbeer
dunno if you guys mentioned this as ive been away from the computer for a week b/c i had to race home b/c my grandmother passed away, but have you seen dogfish head's
most recently announced brew? (http://www.dogfish.com/beer/limitededitionbeers.cfm)

40 oz. malt liquor made with 3 kinds of corn. ummm interesting.

from their email: "The next beer in line for release is the Dogfish Head Liquor de Malt. Yes, that’s Malt Liquor! We’ve made it with 3 American corns, bottled it in a convenient 40-ounce, screw top bottle, and we are even hand-stamping brown paper bags to keep it ‘under wraps’! This May 8th release is very limited (300 cases to be exact), so keep your eyes peeled! Get the skinny."

whatcha think?

Well I just got back from a long weekend at Rehoboth so I can confirm the Liquor de Malt exists. I didn't try one while I was there but I have a 40 in my cooler along with the custom brown paper bag. Tasting notes will follow (once I have staked out a spot in a metro station to consume it). Spare some change bud?
:rolleyes:

[chazwicke]

I'm heading to Ocean City this weekend and next. I'm certain I'll be in Rehobeth at some point. (Tax Free shopping) . Where did you purchase it?

[MeridianFC]

Chaz, if you happen to find this would you mind buying 4 bottles for me? I'll reimburse you costs (and throw in a bottle for yourself). My in laws have a place up in OC but I don't know if they're going to be there this weekend. If you're not able don't sweat it but if you can drop me a line here or by pm and we can sort out the details.

BTW I think they often have the wacky stuff like this at the DFH pub.

[studentofbeer]

brian at sam's said DFH was having some bottling trouble with the 40s, which is causing a delay in it reaching retail shelves.

[Theakston]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I'm heading to Ocean City this weekend and next. I'm certain I'll be in Rehobeth at some point. (Tax Free shopping) . Where did you purchase it?
I got it from the pub itself. I don't think it is available elsewhere yet. Other goodies I tried was Aprihop on tap. 90 min on randal (friday night is randal night) and au courant.
The Rams Head Tavern just off the boardwalk had some good stuff too. The full line of Fordham on tap plus a couple of Magic Hat brews.

Are there any good bottle shops in the area? Most of them seemed to be Bud light suitcases with maybe an odd DFH or 2. Could't find the Festiva Lente that I had wanted to try. Hope they do it again next year.

[chazwicke]

I had no idea the pub had off sales. I stop in there sometimes as well as that branch of Rams Head.

If I can find them, Meridian, I'll certainly get some for you too.

[hopjack13]

Originally posted by ray m
I just read some of the reviews in the website that Theakson provided. I was laughing my butt off!! These guys are idiots!

a little late here , but thats some funny shiz nit! idiots would be putting it mildly.


from the modern drunkard review on crazy horse ml
There’s a picture of the chief and assorted hatchets and Native American symbology.

i think the word he's searching for is symbolism???
hey now im a happy helper too!