Rice Beer

[steveh]

New proof of the dangers of using malted rice as a fermentable in beer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3423881.stm

S.

[threecb]

damn adjuncts!

reinheitsgebot now!

(i love the "see also" links to the right of the story...seems asia has a drunken elephant problem -- soon they'll be printing bumper stickers that say another freind of dumbo)

[hopjack13]

i thnik after drinking the swill the elephant became angry becuase of certain hang over effects that rice has been known to cuase.;)

if they brewed better beer, the elephants would probably be happy!

[chazwicke]

I don't know who I feel worse for The elephants or the beerless tribespeople.

[kgaugler]

Maybe the tribespeople can find some real beer now!

[hopjack13]

hey, maybe someone can e-mail them a recipe for some good beer?

[evilredlight]

There is nothing wrong with rice beer.
I often enjoy it warmed with a good meal.

It is often called Saki and can be as varied and tasty as any malt beer can. But different, only different.
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[fretlessman71]

Can I have your tusks when you're done with them? ;)

[Tweek]

Originally posted by evilredlight
There is nothing wrong with rice beer.
I often enjoy it warmed with a good meal.

It is often called Saki and can be as varied and tasty as any malt beer can. But different, only different.
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That would be rice wine. I really enjoy a good sake.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Tweek
That would be rice wine. I really enjoy a good sake.

Ah, Fred Eckhardt would beg to differ with you as would lots of other people. Since it is made form a cereal grain it is really a "beer" and not a wine which would be made from a fruit.

I belive rice/maize have a place in beer and have brewed several of them in the pub. They are great beers for showcasing brewers talents at creating something light and refreshing. They are also a great way to determine process flaws as there is no place to run and hide with that kind of beer.

We brewed one to win over some customers and belive it or not it became the #1 seller winning over the macro crowd as well as some of the people who normally would be scared of trying a craft beer. At one time with 12 beers on tap it was accounting for about 30% of all beer sold at the pub. The number fell back into line in about 6 months but it was always at #1 or 2 depending on the time of year.

[Tweek]

I dont think Fred Eckhardt would disagree with me on that one actually. Sake is generally around 15% alcohol like wine and it is served like wine, though it is brewed like beer. I have never heard anyone in the sake industry refer to their sake as beer though I have heard it referred to as wine numerous times. Really it is neither but has similarities to both, so I suppose one could call it whatever they like.

As far as my position on adjuncts I have always felt that if it makes a good beer theres no problem. :)

cheers!

[wortchillergoal]

I hope that Marilyn vos Savant reads this article. She is in the Guinness Book as having the highest IQ and writes a Q&A colmun in the Parade, newspaper supplement. She on numerous occasions has said that alcohol does not exist in nature and that man is the only one to make it and abuse it.

What good is a high IQ if it clouds your judgement about beer?




BEER CAN BE FOOD, BUT FOOD CAN NEVER BE BEER.

[brewmonkey]

Could not find the Fred article I was looking for (maybe he will pop on in here sometime) but did find this article interesting.

http://www.sakeone.com/press/articles/01-08-19herald/herald.htm

I too have heard it called wine and usually one will find it near/in the wine section. But I know people who insist that a tomato is a vegetable.

[threecb]

And what about barley wine?
A beer that's called a wine!?!
Now that's just crazy talk!:p

[Tweek]

interesting how that article refers to or compares to wine throughout then it has that line that says it is beer. guess its hard to get past the habit of calling it wine. Interesting read. thanks.

So I wonder what the deciding factor is. Is anything brewed, that ends up with alcohol considered a beer, and non brewed a wine?

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Tweek
interesting how that article refers to or compares to wine throughout then it has that line that says it is beer. guess its hard to get past the habit of calling it wine. Interesting read. thanks.

So I wonder what the deciding factor is. Is anything brewed, that ends up with alcohol considered a beer, and non brewed a wine?


That is what I thought was interesting about the article as well.

My understanding of the term beer is anything brewed using the fermentable properties of cereal grains. How much of the fermentable is probably open to interpretation.

[steveh]

Originally posted by brewmonkey
Could not find the Fred article I was looking for (maybe he will pop on in here sometime) but did find this article interesting.

Fred has long been a proponent of Saki and compares it more to beer than wine - because it's brewed? I don't know.

Nonetheless, it still gives me the same sort of headache as A-B Bud, or any beer brewed with rice!

S.

[danno]

back to the original article, how big of a batch would you have to make (and have laying around, doh!) in order for 20+ elephants to get wasted?

I think these tribesman have exceeded their 100 gal/year/person legal limit... :D

[hopjack13]

okay, i've been to asain restaurants, where they have always told me saki was a rice wine? so let me just see if i got it right here. it's called a rice wine,but it's brewed like a beer and drunk in a shot glass like a liquor. am i getting all this?

[evilredlight]

And about alcohol not being in nature

deer, squirrels, and other mammels have been observed, in orchards eating fallen fruit that has fermented inside its own skin, and acting crazily afterwards.
i bet it doesn't taste great, but it gets the job done !!!!

[steveh]

Originally posted by evilredlight
And about alcohol not being in nature deer, squirrels, and other mammels have been observed,

I once watched a flock of Cedarwaxwing birds devour Summer's end crabapples with great gusto - then proceed to fly into any object in their flight path!

S.