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MeridianFC
01-16-2004, 01:10 PM
Who: Yours truly
What Wye Valley/Dorothy Goodbody's Winter Tipple
4.4%abv
Why: Cask night baby
Where: The Reef (Washington, DC)
When: 15 January 2004; 2100-0000

I never got the straight answer as to whether this was properly called Wye Valley or it went under the Dorothy Goodbody name, though in the end it doesn't matter it's the same brewery. For some reason some of their brews go under one name and some under the other for reasons that have never been made clear to me. I've previously sampled the Dorothy Goodbody's Our Glass, which to be honest I didn't care for, but that's another review.

The beer was served cask, gravity dispense from right on top of the bar. The handling was impeccable. The appearance was a very clear deep red. The light is kind of low at the Reef so there could be subleties of color that I'm missing out on. The beer had dropped very bright, the head had medium to large soapy looking bubbles. The head dissipates pretty quickly. The nose was a blast of hop with a hint of typical cask type fruit.

The first taste (the temperature was perfect) was a sharp, tanic, hop bitter smack upside the head. Not in the sense of the 1,000ibu IPAs, but like chewing on a bit of dried hop flower. The bitterness overwhelmed the beer, but there really wasn't a lot of hop flavor. The body was decent, though maybe a little thin. After the first wave of hop-ness the beer kind of disappeared. Several of the folks I was drinking with agreed with my assesment that the hop flavor seemed to be completely divorced from the rest of the beer. The other barely discernable tastes did not meld with that initial onslaught of bitterness. It was really strange, certainly for a British beer. If you let the glass get plenty warm, you can coax out a very minimal malt taste, but after a few glasses the bitterness just numbs your palate. There wasn't much aftertaste, a tiny bit of vague fruit and chalky hop bitterness residue like taste. It's like the beer came to a stop sign, hit the brakes and slid a little past the line, but not enough so's you'd really notice.

I was really wanting to like this one, having looked forward to a good British cask beer for weeks, but I don't think I can really recommend this, even to hopheads. This no other dimension to this than some disembodied pure bitterness. It wasn't terrible and I managed to neck a few pints, to help the cause you understand, but I was dissapointed. Almost universally amongst the friends I was with, who represent a fairly wide swath of palates, agreed that the Winter Tipple just didn't do IT, IT being whatever beer is supposed to do.

threecb
01-16-2004, 01:15 PM
Wow! After reading your post I find my reviews sorely lacking...

a shame the beer disappointed...gravity dispensed and all!

steveh
01-16-2004, 02:34 PM
Hmm, the only time I've ever heard tanic flavors described in a beer it wasn't favorable. I usually describe tannins as an astringent flavor, caused by phenols extracted in a bad sparge of the wort or poor handling of the beer afterward. I wonder if this ale had a bad trip across the North Atlantic?

Had they just tapped the firkin, or had it been around awhile?

S.

MeridianFC
01-16-2004, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by steveh
Hmm, the only time I've ever heard tanic flavors described in a beer it wasn't favorable. I usually describe tannins as an astringent flavor, caused by phenols extracted in a bad sparge of the wort or poor handling of the beer afterward. I wonder if this ale had a bad trip across the North Atlantic?

Had they just tapped the firkin, or had it been around awhile?

S.

It is more likely that I'm not using the term correctly or have incorrectly described the taste at issue, though you are right it was not favorable. I thought that hops can have a tanic character i.e astringent if used in over abundance. Many of the uber hoppy beers I know have something of this quality. If you chew on raw hops you certainly get more than a little inkling of that taste. I'm famliar with the various phenol realted off flavors, what I experienced was definitely not that.

My previous experience with beers from this brewery has not been positive. I popped over to beer advocate just to see what other people say about the WV/DG beers and there is a case to be made that something is not quite on with their beer (check out the Our Glass and Butty Bach reviews).

I'm certainly no brewing scientist, but I have a fairly good background in tasting (I ain't Einstein, but I ain't no mook either) and I'm pretty familiar with cask ale. This seemed to be in good condition. The color, aroma, and the condition of the firkin all looked good. I have a very high degree of faith in the Reef's handling of their casks. I know it had just been tapped.

I want to say the beer sucked, but it wasn't that bad. It was just kinda....er.......blah. Blah with a shock of hops.

chazwicke
01-18-2004, 01:22 PM
I have had a couple of the bottled beers from this brewery in the past. I do not recall how they tasted so they either were unremarkable or I did not care for them.

What is the address of the Reef?
I'm not sure I have been there.

Are you going to the upcomming tastings at the end of January at DBA? I do not know the dates. I may be going to the Wednesday evening session.

Thanks for the review.

chazwicke
01-18-2004, 01:36 PM
I meant RFD not DBA. Although the DBA in New York City is a fine beer drinking establishment. I have not been to the DBA in New Orleans.

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01-18-2004, 01:38 PM
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sallad
01-19-2004, 10:28 AM
It is more likely that I'm not using the term correctly or have incorrectly described the taste at issue... I thought that hops can have a tanic character

i usually think of red wine when i think of tannins- the tart flavor at the back of your tongue that a wine leaves you with. i think, at least in wine, tannins come from the skin of the grapes. (you can get a tannin taste in some varieties of grapes, too)

i must admit, though, that i can't say that i've ever noticed much tannin flavor in a beer.

MeridianFC
01-19-2004, 11:29 AM
It's exactly that taste in wine that I think of when I think of the taste of pure hops. Like I said I'm probably use the taste term incorrectly.

steveh
01-19-2004, 02:05 PM
Is this a Burton On Trent ale? Sometimes the high mineral content (gypsum, in a BOT, in this case) in a beer's water can add the sort of cloying dryness I equate with tannins in a red wine.

S.