Reinhetisgoboit.....?

[fretlessman71]

How is this REALLY spelled, and how is it pronounced? And more importantly, what does it translate to directly? I'd love to see the english AND the german laws together sometime...

[Stodbrew]

It is spelled REINHEITSGEBOT. I'm not even going to try and spell it phonetically:D

[fidcastro]

Rine-hites-guh-boat

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by fidcastro
Rine-hites-guh-boat


Nicely done, Fid!

[fidcastro]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
Nicely done, Fid!

Thanks. The wife speaks a few languages, so the credit goes to her.

[hopjack13]

i asked a friend who speaks some german how to pronounce it and he didn't know what i was talking about and couldn't tell me anything..
way to go fid!

[Beaver]

rein = pure, clean
heits = not sure...heiter is clear or bright
gebot = command, order

[Stodbrew]

The only German you really need to know is "Ein Bier Bitte!"

That, and "Du bist eine komische affe!" Which means "you are a silly monkey." Don't ask why I know that.:p

[fretlessman71]

Rhine-HEIGHTS-guh-boat? Is that where the accent is?

It was in 1516, right?

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
The only German you really need to know is "Ein Bier Bitte!"

That, and "Du bist eine komische affe!" Which means "you are a silly monkey." Don't ask why I know that.:p

Trans., please, for the first... my wife is half Honduran, and my spanish brain isn't picking up on the german well at all tonight!

And maybe you know the second one because you ARE.....

[Beaver]

Ein Bier bitte = a beer please!

Four years of high-school German is finally paying off...YES! :D

[fretlessman71]

"Una cerveza, por favor." Sorry; that's the best I can do.

Hey... are there any Spanish (not Mexican) breweries? How do the Spaniards feel about beer?

[hopjack13]

i can say that in spanish(dah-me-oon-cervesa-por-favor)
of course there relly no mexican beer worth drinking so it does me little good.....:rolleyes:

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Trans., please, for the first... my wife is half Honduran, and my spanish brain isn't picking up on the german well at all tonight!

And maybe you know the second one because you ARE.....

Well, that goes without saying!:D

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by hopjack13
i can say that in spanish(dah-me-oon-cervesa-por-favor)
of course there relly no mexican beer worth drinking so it does me little good.....:rolleyes:

No Negro Modelo for you? It goes great with Mexican food!

Oh, BTW... that's "oonah-cerveza". My wife just corrected you....

[hopjack13]

well your wife is not mexican right? and thats how the mexicans taught me to say it...maybe it's slang or something i don't know?
but modelo sucks no matter what color...

[fretlessman71]

No, she's not.... Honduran-Seminole-Scottish-Irish mixes are MUCH prettier... :D But the spanish is the same.

[hopjack13]

i think it may be a little different, i know a lot of mexicans (i live in socal go figure) and they tell me it's a little different. salvadorian i think is a little different too. but im not 100% sure , i'll have to countinue this debate when i get more info.

[Stodbrew]

No se. No comprendo. Necesito una cerveza.

[fidcastro]

Necesito una cerveza tambien.

[Stodbrew]

Salud, mi amigo!

[fretlessman71]

Ustedes son muy locos! :p

[Stodbrew]

Si, es verdad.

[fretlessman71]

Ay! Numero cien para tu! Congratulacion!

[Stodbrew]

Gracias! I wish these keyboards came with an upside down exclamation point!

[fretlessman71]

Even if you had one, I don't think the realbeer.com website would recognize it... no sweat - I knew what you were saying!

[steveh]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
The only German you really need to know is "Ein Bier Bitte!"

And, "Ein mehr Bier bitte." ;)

S.

Also, "Wo ist das W.C." helps!

[Brownbeard]

I always get the amber Dos Equis when I go to a mexican resturaunt. I think it's a nice easy drinking beer to have with spicy food.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Brownbeard
I always get the amber Dos Equis when I go to a mexican resturaunt. I think it's a nice easy drinking beer to have with spicy food.

Agreed... it's the "other" Mexican beer I'll drink!

[threecb]

The company I work for does mucho translations, and there are several dialects that we translate spanish into: Spanish for Europe, Latin America, South America, Mexico, and Catalan to name most of them.

and stobbrew- "¡" (no it's not a lower case "eye", it's the mac keyboard command for an inverted exclamation point!)

and as long as it's not corona or sol, I'm generally OK with Mexican Beer...

[unkle bik]

How does the EU handle the "purity law of 1516"(too lazy to spell it)?
Do they get their hands into this, too?
I would hate to see this tradition go the wayside.

[fretlessman71]

As long as there are beer purists, there will always be the Reinheitsgoboit. No need to fear!

[chazwicke]

My wife speaks German, French and English. Make travel easy.

Here is Latin:

Carpe Cervisi

Seize the beer!!

[barley ben]

While we are on the subject of different languages... I'm hoping to go to germany sometime in the not to far future. I don't speak a word of german though. Do alot of them know english or will I be carrying around a translations book! I know it would probably depend on what area I'm in I guess. That could be something that would really dull my first experience out of this country.

[Stodbrew]

It's kind of hit or miss when it comes to them speaking English. One of my favorite nights in Germany was in a beer hall in Munich when my wife and I were passing around the German-English dictionary with others at the table, and that was how we communicated. When they found out I was a brewer, the liters started coming fast and furious. To this day, one of the best times I've ever had.

[MeridianFC]

Originally posted by unkle bik
How does the EU handle the "purity law of 1516"(too lazy to spell it)?
Do they get their hands into this, too?
I would hate to see this tradition go the wayside.

I'm not up to the minute on this one, though I have been paying attention as the story unfolds. It used to be you could not sell beer in Germany unless it met the RHG. The EU forced Germany to open it's borders to other non RHG beers, as enforcing it was restraint of trade. I'm not exactly sure what the status of the law as regards German made beers is now. There are two German brands I'm aware of that have brewed outside the rules and the beers are sold inside Germany.

I agree that's it's a great tradition and one would hope that the German consumer would have some role in seeing it's continued survival.

[steveh]

Originally posted by barley ben
Do alot of them know english or will I be carrying around a translations book! I know it would probably depend on what area I'm in I guess.

The bigger cities will have more English speaking citizens, and don't be afraid to coax it out of them. When you ask if they speak English, and they say, "Yes, a little.." they probably speak it better than you or I can learn German!

Out in the countryside, in the smaller towns, it gets a bit more difficult to find English. I remember having a discussion in Austria about driving directions to the next town we were headed, and the hotel proprietor kept directing us to the train. "No, I don't want the train, we're driving -" What I finally understood was that the car had to go on the train in order for us to get through the mountain range! Hah, a train ferry - great adventures!

S.

[barley ben]

The bigger cities will have more English speaking citizens, and don't be afraid to coax it out of them.

Thats good since I'm sure I will end up in some of the larger cities for my first trip. Probably Munich to start.

[hopjack13]

i want to go to other beer countrys!!:mad: grrr

[Jeff]

I'm with you Hopjack. I would love to visit England or Germany, at this point I am lucky to afford to visit the local paint store. I have a buddy in Germany that doesn't even understand what good beer is, kind of makes you jealous.

[MeridianFC]

Originally posted by barley ben
While we are on the subject of different languages... I'm hoping to go to germany sometime in the not to far future. I don't speak a word of german though. Do alot of them know english or will I be carrying around a translations book! I know it would probably depend on what area I'm in I guess. That could be something that would really dull my first experience out of this country.

Not to be an pedantic about this, but it is another country and it's not their job to speak English, it's your job to learn a little bit of German. It's really not that hard, there are many common words with English. In addition, I have found that the Germans (or Dutch, Belgians, French, etc) really appreciate it when you make even the most minimal attempt at the native tounge. Well maybe not the French so much (not to dig on the French, but it seems somewhat true). Think about how you'd feel if someone comes up to you on the streets of your town yammering away in German, expecting you to know what they're saying*. We as Americans have to be aware that much of the world, certianly Europeans, see us as thinking we have a sense of entitlement about everything. I don't think you have to go out and take class in German/whatever (although it's not a bad idea to have a second language), but one tape and a basic phrase book will get you pretty far. The natives will appreciate and you'll be serving as a good abasador for your country (cue patriotic music).

All of this said, in most of the major metropolitan areas there are many fluent English speakers. German is a very common second language.

*I've had it happen.
Meridian alights the soap box to the onslaught of rotten fruit.

[MeridianFC]

After re-reading that I come off like some sort of finger waving asshole, which was not my intention. I certainly did mean to come off all condes..kondisc..condiecen.............like an asshole.

Carry on.

[hopjack13]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
Think about how you'd feel if someone comes up to you on the streets of your town yammering away in German

well maybe not in german , but in spanish all the time! i live in southern california, a very close friend of mine is mexican, was born and raised here in socal as was his mom and dad. we were at home depot the other day and he picked up some concreate mix looked at the instuctions and they were in spanish (he speaks and writes it fluently btw) and said " three generations my family came here and adopted the english language only to pick up a box and have to read it in spanish!" he was a little perturbed , perplexed that kind of thing!
and don't worry about comming off like an @$$hole i do it all the time :D

and usaully when some one starts speaking spanish to me i'll start speaking back in sioux (nakota) . that really throws them for a loop!

[hopjack13]

Originally posted by Jeff
I'm with you Hopjack. I would love to visit England or Germany, at this point I am lucky to afford to visit the local paint store.
i know the feeling! although i don't buy alot of paint;)
do you have to actually go to a paint store to buy beer? or is that just the name of a beer/liquor store?

[Jeff]

I thought the paint store analogy had made it's way through the entire board. See this thread for explanation of the soon to be infamous paint store: Paint Store (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1741&highlight=paint+store)

[hopjack13]

and light dawns on marble head....duuhhhhh
okay, now i understand! i thought everyone was actually going to the paint store to buy beer! funny!

[MeridianFC]

Miller's Crossing

"How's your drink?"

"Better than the paint we sell back at the club"

[hopjack13]

damn! blast from the past! i haven't seen that movie in a decade or so, im going to have to go and rent it now!

[MeridianFC]

Rent? Man, this is one you've got to own. I don't think a day goes by where I don't quote something from it.

Verna, "You came here for the oldest reason there is"

Tom, "There are friendlier places to drink"

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by barley ben
While we are on the subject of different languages... I'm hoping to go to germany sometime in the not to far future. I don't speak a word of german though. Do alot of them know english or will I be carrying around a translations book! I know it would probably depend on what area I'm in I guess. That could be something that would really dull my first experience out of this country.

I speak very little German but have never had a problem. Most know some English.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
I'm not up to the minute on this one, though I have been paying attention as the story unfolds. It used to be you could not sell beer in Germany unless it met the RHG. The EU forced Germany to open it's borders to other non RHG beers, as enforcing it was restraint of trade. I'm not exactly sure what the status of the law as regards German made beers is now. There are two German brands I'm aware of that have brewed outside the rules and the beers are sold inside Germany.

I agree that's it's a great tradition and one would hope that the German consumer would have some role in seeing it's continued survival.

This is becoming an issue with regard to Lambics and also French cheezes. This whole EU thing could mess up a lot of good things!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by barley ben
Thats good since I'm sure I will end up in some of the larger cities for my first trip. Probably Munich to start.

I recommend Bamberg. OH those Rauchs!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by hopjack13
i want to go to other beer countrys!!:mad: grrr

I recommend England. OH those cask ales!

[MeridianFC]

Christ I'm thirsty.

BTW there are many fine casks in Scotland and Wales too. Hell there's even one in Ireland now.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
Not to be an pedantic about this, but it is another country and it's not their job to speak English, it's your job to learn a little bit of German. It's really not that hard, there are many common words with English. In addition, I have found that the Germans (or Dutch, Belgians, French, etc) really appreciate it when you make even the most minimal attempt at the native tounge. Well maybe not the French so much (not to dig on the French, but it seems somewhat true). Think about how you'd feel if someone comes up to you on the streets of your town yammering away in German, expecting you to know what they're saying*. We as Americans have to be aware that much of the world, certianly Europeans, see us as thinking we have a sense of entitlement about everything. I don't think you have to go out and take class in German/whatever (although it's not a bad idea to have a second language), but one tape and a basic phrase book will get you pretty far. The natives will appreciate and you'll be serving as a good abasador for your country (cue patriotic music).

All of this said, in most of the major metropolitan areas there are many fluent English speakers. German is a very common second language.

*I've had it happen.
Meridian alights the soap box to the onslaught of rotten fruit.




Meridian is exactly Right. I always make the effort. You will pick up plenty of words so that you will at least appear to be polite and friendly.

[skahtboi]

Damn! I always seem to miss out on the crazy threads as they are happening. That's the bad thing about having a firewall on the work computers that think the word "beer" is a bad thing.

"Una mas cerveza, por favor, senorita."

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
Christ I'm thirsty.

BTW there are many fine casks in Scotland and Wales too. Hell there's even one in Ireland now.

Agreed. Enjoyed Wales and Scotland both very much. I have yet to visit Ireland Though.

[hopjack13]

maybe one day (when the kids are grown ) i can go to other countrys, im thikin england may be the best place to start , because....they speak english! and after reading chaz and Mr. English's post's it sounds like a wonderful beer world!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by hopjack13
maybe one day (when the kids are grown ) i can go to other countrys, im thikin england may be the best place to start , because....they speak english! and after reading chaz and Mr. English's post's it sounds like a wonderful beer world!

That it is, my friend, that it is.

[hopjack13]

it sure sounds like it ! i envy you. i hear the weather's not soo great there though? whats a good time of year to go?

[chazwicke]

I have been in February, April, May, August, October and November. More than once in some of those months. I was there during the heatwave last August. I been twice in February and it is not too bad then. Can get chilly and rainy. I will be going again in May.

[Stodbrew]

When I was in England, it was November and it was cold as hell. The weather was great, though. We only got rained on, I think, once. I don't know if we were just lucky, or what. I liked going when it was cold. My wife is always cold, even when its 90* out. So, in England, it was always "Honey, I know you're cold and tired, why don't we duck into this pub and you can sit by the fire and get nice and warm":D Worked like a charm!

[Stodbrew]

Congrats ahead of time on 900 Chaz!

[hopjack13]

they have fires in their pubs??? my wife is anemic (sp?) i think that would work with her, plus she loves good beer.
oh hey congrat on 900 too chaz!

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by hopjack13
they have fires in their pubs??? my wife is anemic (sp?) i think that would work with her, plus she loves good beer.
oh hey congrat on 900 too chaz!


Some pubs do, but not all. Regardless, they're generally nice and warm anyway. And a nice pint of real ale always does wonders to warm both body and spirit!

[hopjack13]

oneday i'll get across the pond, but for now i can just dream! dream of real ale! i can get some cask out here, last year at this time i couldn't find any place that had cask now they seem to be popping up a little bit. but i imagine nobody does cask like the english.

hey chaz bailed out before he hit 900?

[Stodbrew]

Originally posted by hopjack13
oneday i'll get across the pond, but for now i can just dream! dream of real ale! i can get some cask out here, last year at this time i couldn't find any place that had cask now they seem to be popping up a little bit. but i imagine nobody does cask like the english.

Have you ever been to the San Diego Real Ale Festival at Pizza Port Carlsbad? Still pretty far from you, I know, but if you get a chance, you should check it out. There are some great beers there from mostly CA breweries and a few from AZ.

[hopjack13]

i plan on getting there but haven't yet. i have a hard time finding victims/babysitters so it's almost impossible for me to get out anymore and do beer anything. i could go with out my wife, she wouldn't trip if i did, but it wouldn't be the same. i think we found someone so we can go to the belgian fest in pasadena at lucky baldwins. but anyone who babysets my 9 month old only does it once and there are only so many people we trust so our resources are running kinda thin.:(

hey do you ever get down this way?

[Stodbrew]

Very rarely. I haven't been down to the Greater L.A. area in a few years. I wouldn't mind heading down to check out the beer scene, though. I hear there are a lot of great beer bars down that way.

[hopjack13]

im not real sure of anything in l.a. except lucky baldwins in pasadena. orange county seems to have more "i think"
there are a few brewerys in brea that serve cask and i like to go there. irvine has a few places, there is a pizza port in san clemente, laguna has a couple brewerys as well as newport and huntington beach but i haven't been to any of them. and in costa mesa there is the infamous goathill taveren with over 141 beers on tap. i'll be ther tomorrow. but i think san diego is the reigning king when it comes to beer orientated citys in the southland.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
Congrats ahead of time on 900 Chaz!

Thank you! it is hard work trying to keep up with Hopjack and Fret.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by hopjack13
oneday i'll get across the pond, but for now i can just dream! dream of real ale! i can get some cask out here, last year at this time i couldn't find any place that had cask now they seem to be popping up a little bit. but i imagine nobody does cask like the english.

hey chaz bailed out before he hit 900?

The English do it best! No ifs, ands or buts, about it.

I had to take a dinner break. Now I'm going for a beer.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by Stodbrew
Have you ever been to the San Diego Real Ale Festival at Pizza Port Carlsbad? Still pretty far from you, I know, but if you get a chance, you should check it out. There are some great beers there from mostly CA breweries and a few from AZ.

What are the dates of this fest?

[hopjack13]

Thank you! it is hard work trying to keep up with Hopjack and Fret.
well i think you got fret covered, im still thinking im gunna hit 1000 tonight! dinner what that? im still at work, maybe i'll run out and get something when i go to try to find tweeks beer.

not sure of the dates but i think one is in may and they just had a belgian strong ale fest this month or maybe last that i heard was off the hook...uhh, i mean GREAT!!!

[chazwicke]

Still at work? It's 10:00 pm Here. I'm drinking a Marston's Pedigree.

[hopjack13]

it's 7pm here i'll take lunch about 8 and go look for some beer but i cant drink any till tomorrow! then i'll go home about 11 or 12. two shifts and one tech = over time
oh here's more about the feastivals http://www.pizzaport.com/strongalefest2003.html

[chazwicke]

Sorry about not drinking until tomorrow stuff. :(

[hopjack13]

not as sorry as i am, if i have a beer when i get home i can't sleep, so then i have another and still can't sleep.it's a vicious cycle , eventually i pass out and then have pro-blame-ohs getting up in the morning. so it's just better that i wait for the weekend.

[chazwicke]

Yep better to play it safe. Try drinking a very hoppy beer. Hops are a mild sedative. Henry VIII slept on a hop pillow to help him sleep.

[hopjack13]

i think im going to make a hop pillow just to have! thats pretty cool! maybe i could sell them to hopheads? hey there could be a market for this!:rolleyes:

[chazwicke]

The first year I grew hops, I made a hop tea from them. just tried a little bit.

[hopjack13]

hop tea ? was it any good, i like chamameal (sp?)
they have a lot of tea shop in england like they do coffee out here i hear?

[steveh]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
Not to be an pedantic about this, but it is another country and it's not their job to speak English,

I hope it isn't misunderstood that I was implying this in any way. I took a year of German expressly to be able to travel better - on my first trip to Munich I knew only enough of the language to get drunk and get in trouble!

I translated the conversation I had with the hotel proprietor - from her fluent and my third-grade German. Traveling the smaller towns along the Tyrol countryside was a better education in the language than any college night classes one could ever take. Alas, it's been too long and I'm terribly out of practice.

In no way do I visit a foreign country and *expect* them to know my language. Many Germans speak English, but they often feel they don't know enough to be understood (much as I feel when I try to speak German), this is why I suggested "coaxing" them into using English - not to deter learning the language. After all, the signs and menus can't be coaxed with any determination, and hearing and understanding a foreign language in its mother country is a delightful experience.

Tschuss!
S.

[chazwicke]

I once had a tour of a tiny local brewery by the German brewmaster, I was having lunch and went to use the restroom which was out back. The brewery building was behind too and he saw me peeking in. He motioned me to come on in and we had a tour even though neither one of us spoke a word of the others language. Since we both knew the process it was fine. It was a very small brewery with open fermenters. It was located in a rural area near Coburg (Home of Scheidmantle).

[fretlessman71]

Ah, Beer.... the univesal language! :D What a great story!

[barley ben]

Man, this thread went crazy I a day!

MeridianFC... I never though that it was there responsibility to know english. Unfortunately for me, I don't know a word in german and even though it is not there obligation for then to speak english, I know there are some parts that do more than others. I would like to be able to communicate with some people so I could learn more about the area that I'm in other than what the beer tastes like. Don't worry though, I'm planning on getting some good experiences on that too though!!

[chazwicke]

You will have no problems other than maybe a minor one or two. I say get going!

[Summer]

Originally posted by MeridianFC
BTW there are many fine casks in Scotland and Wales too. Hell there's even one in Ireland now.

Hey! Tell me more about the Irish one:)

J.

[Summer]

Originally posted by hopjack13
i think im going to make a hop pillow just to have! thats pretty cool! maybe i could sell them to hopheads? hey there could be a market for this!

Sure!! I'd buy one immediately!!
It's true that pillow made of hops helps you sleep better. Don't know about drinking really hoppy beer though ;)

J.

[fretlessman71]

If I had a hop pillow, I think my wife would make me sleep on the couch in the NEIGHBOR'S apartment.... ;)

[chazwicke]

Maybe I should make one with my harvest next year. I suffer from bouts of insomnia sometimes.

[fretlessman71]

Sell 'em on the boards! Is there a precedent for that? At the very least you could trade them for beer straight across! Make it worth your while, you know?

[chazwicke]

Trade for beer........BRILLIANT!!!!

You may be onto something here.

[fretlessman71]

Send a little bit with that shipment so my wife can smell it... if she likes it, maybe we'll work something out!

[chazwicke]

You don't want to wait till Fall when the hops are ready to harvest.

[fretlessman71]

Well, I'll just have to send you a new address from CO...

[chazwicke]

When do you think your going?

[fretlessman71]

Planning on May... PRAYING for sooner than that.

[fretlessman71]

We want out - it's just that plain and simple! "Southern folk" are just nasty... they make you think they're your friend, and when they find you're of no use to them they drop you like a hot potato.....

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
We want out - it's just that plain and simple! "Southern folk" are just nasty... they make you think they're your friend, and when they find you're of no use to them they drop you like a hot potato.....

Whachutalkinabout Willis? Er...fretless??

I hope you don't mean "Southern Folk" like the people indigenous to the Southern United States!!! I have been one all my life.

[fretlessman71]

There's a certain mentality here in Nashville that they're somehow both kind and decent AND much smarter than you are. I apologize for making a blanket statement; indeed, my best friend is from Arkansas, and he calls himself a "True Arkansas Redneck" - a hard working honest person who likes to have a little fun from time to time. Would that all the people I met here in the last two years were as cool as he is........

[chazwicke]

Did you go there to play music? I'm a Virginian and proud of it but when I travel or vacation I usually head north.

[fretlessman71]

Yes, I'm a bassist (as many here have gleaned), and I figured I'd hate myself if I didn't at least come here once in my life and see what it was about. Well, now I know... and I'm ready to go home. Thankfully, my wife is even more ready than I am, so at least I don't have to convince her.... :p

[chazwicke]

I remember hearing an audio clip of one of your band's cds.
Lots of my friends are musicians.

[fretlessman71]

I'm still trying to procure a few CDs for those here who would like a few. Maybe I'll trade them for beer!

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
There's a certain mentality here in Nashville that they're somehow both kind and decent AND much smarter than you are. I apologize for making a blanket statement; indeed, my best friend is from Arkansas, and he calls himself a "True Arkansas Redneck" - a hard working honest person who likes to have a little fun from time to time. Would that all the people I met here in the last two years were as cool as he is........

Yeah, but Nashville is a city that thrives on the "whathaveyoudoneformelately" kind of mentality, as are Los Angeles and Las Vegas and several others. Can't compare a region based on that ilk!

Incidentally, fret, I am a musician as well. Done plenty of time playing bass and guitar in bands that no one ever heard of. Still do from time to time.

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Did you go there to play music? I'm a Virginian and proud of it but when I travel or vacation I usually head north.

Oddly, I am the son of two Virginians(Radford and Roanoke respectively), though I was born a Tarheel. And even though I am way out here in the west now, I still think of myself as one.