"There's good enough...and there's better than it

[denver brewhoo]

has to be".....can anybody tell me what the hell this means? Surely neither "good enough" nor "better than it has to be" could be considered a ringing endorsement of their beer. It seems they are positing "better than it has to be" as a compliment...but is it?

To me it sounds like "We make this swill marginally better than the worst possible sewage we think we can con you into buying." But that's just me.

It's almost like somebody at the ad agency got struck by a pang of conscience or something, and couldn't bring himself to brag about the flavor anymore...."well, I guess this stuff is better than it absolutely has to be...I guess we can honestly say that..." How they got it approved by the client is beyond me though.

Oh...to the non-yanks among you, this is the theme of a current advertising campaign of one of our U.S. megabrewers.

[davesarman]

I've wondered the same thing myself. After seeing these commercials ad nauseum for awhile now, I'm pretty sure they're targeting Bud Light. I like how in one of the commercials the voiceover guy says something like "You just want to nudge the boat, not rock it." I'm not sure if that's the exact verbage or not, but to me that means "You want better than Bud Light, but not much better. You're courageous enough to put down Bud LIght, but not enought to pick up something with flavor!" Seems to be a flawed campaign to me as well...

[bigmf]

I think they are just trying to keep people drinking big 3 swill rather than trying somthing that tastes like beer.

M.

[fretlessman71]

I missed these! Is this the campaign for Miller? If so, I spent too much time looking at the commercials to listen to what they say. I STILL like these better than the mud wrasslin' babes, if only because they portray people who drink as people who THINK. I can't denounce those who drink macroswill as dumb; I can only question their sense of taste and wonder if they've ever really tried anything with more than 2 lbs. of malt per 5 gal. batch...

[steveh]

Okay, I'm a Yank and I have no idea whose tag-line that is. If it's the new Miller Lite line (whose new commercials I complained about under the News&Opinion area), it just goes to show how much of an impression it made on me!

S.

[fretlessman71]

Even though the commercials are certainly disingenuous, wouldn't you at least have to agree that the concept for the commercials is brilliant?

[chazwicke]

BRILLIANT!!! That is the new Guinness commercial. BRILLIANT!!

[fretlessman71]

:confused: You lost me....

[DarCoop]

Originally posted by chazwicke
BRILLIANT!!! That is the new Guinness commercial. BRILLIANT!!
If you are talking about the one where the guys are discussing bottling and the "new"bottle opener, then Yes it is Brilliant.

And the bottled Guiness Draught is pretty good stuff too.

[fretlessman71]

I can't get my taste buds around the bottled draught idea. My nose gets lonely!

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
:confused: You lost me....

here it is:

http://www.guinness1759society.com/offer/Brann1759/33351392/EN/welcome%2easp?%20N=4tp~DOHECFCHI~EG3un~FNB~CHtzsu3 ~FNC~CH41pr~DOLP[

[fretlessman71]

They've been watching far too many Monty Python reruns, I think... ;)

And I know where this thread is about to go, so you might as well get it over with...

[barley ben]

I still pour my "draught in a bottle" into a glass. Do it in 2 or 3 pours and it pours like a draught. Just can't drink Guinness out of a bottle. Something just seems wrong about it in my head. Maybe I need to see the swirl when drinking the stuff. Kinda goes hand in hand to me.

[chazwicke]

I drink all my beer from a glass. Including Guinness from the bottle and widget can.

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by steveh
Okay, I'm a Yank and I have no idea whose tag-line that is.


Me either!

Originally posted by chazwicke

I drink all my beer from a glass.

Me too!

[barley ben]

So do I, guess that's why I have to pour that into a glass also.

[hopjack13]

okay im lost too, who's tagline is it? i don't watch much t.v.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Even though the commercials are certainly disingenuous, wouldn't you at least have to agree that the concept for the commercials is brilliant?

I might say yes, if I could get past the fact that it was Miller Lite they're pushing - an equally flavorless swill.

On the other hand, if it were a great brand that was being toted, I might find the commercials a little too pretentious - I'd expect something classier from a Sprecher, Goose Island - even Sam Adams, than angst filled idiots running screaming into the streets...but that's just me.

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
They've been watching far too many Monty Python reruns, I think...

And you see something wrong with that? Did you come here for an "argument?" ;)

And I know where this thread is about to go, so you might as well get it over with...

What?

S.

I love Terry Gilliam! He's, he's - oh, what's the word I'm looking for here...

[DarCoop]

And the bottled Guiness Draught is pretty good stuff too. [/B]
I did not mean I drank it stragiht from bottle. I meant it was a good beer after pouring it into glass. I found one when I was out of town and was pleasantly surprised how good it was.

[Richard English]

Quote "...I drink all my beer from a glass. Including Guinness from the bottle and widget can...."

That is the ONLY way to drink good beer. Bottles are for storing and transporting beer; glasses or tankards are for drinking it. Would you drink vintage champagne from the bottle?

Leave bottle drinking to babies - including those babies who drink chemical fizz.

[fretlessman71]

The ONLY time I ever drink beer from the bottle is when I'm having a homebrew... I'll pour out most of the contents into my favorite glass, and take the last 3/4" or so and swirl it around to pick up as much yeast as I can and suck it down. Good B vitamins for you! (Also makes them easier to clean later.)

[chazwicke]

I never drink from the bottle. I bought a case of imperial pint glasses years ago and they are what I use.

[hopjack13]

i'll drink urquell from the bottle, if it's nice and cold on a hot day mmmmmmmmm. ales always from a glass though.

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by steveh
And you see something wrong with that? Did you come here for an "argument?" ;)



What?

S.

I love Terry Gilliam! He's, he's - oh, what's the word I'm looking for here...

....splunge???

[Summer]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
They've been watching far too many Monty Python reruns, I think... ;)

So!!?! I love Monthy Pythons. And the new add for Guinness was BRILLIANT and funny!! But I always drink my Guinness from a glass. Also from the bottle and widget can...

J.

[Summer]

Originally posted by Summer
But I always drink my Guinness from a glass. Also from the bottle and widget can...

I meant I pour Guinness form those to a glass ;)
(tired...)
J.

[fretlessman71]

Don't worry... you were clear on your first post! (Am I off here, or are you concerned about your english for some reason....?)

[steveh]

Originally posted by BluesHarp
....splunge???

Oohh, that's very good! :D

S.

[fretlessman71]

Help me here.... "splunge"? I missed something... not as big a fan, I guess...

[Summer]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Am I off here, or are you concerned about your english for some reason....?

Not really. It just sounded a bit funny :)
(english is not my mother tongue, though)
J.

[steveh]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Help me here.... "splunge"? I missed something... not as big a fan, I guess...

Heh, heh, heh - it was the only answer a befuddled Eric Idle (Terry Jones? Gawd, I'm gettin' old) could formulate with a menacing John Cleese counting down the seconds before time was up! I need to search out that episode on my Python collection -- "Gooood 'a niiiiigght --- dinga-dinga-ding - "

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by Summer
Not really. It just sounded a bit funny :)
(english is not my mother tongue, though)
J.

You're doing fine! Considering the only other phrases in Finn I know besides Merry Christmas are rather rude, your command of English is terrific. Even better than some of my co-workers!

S.

[Summer]

Thanks Steveh!
I think you know the important word KIPPIS in Finnish;)
For everyone else that's cheers in Finnish.

J.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I drink all my beer from a glass. Including Guinness from the bottle and widget can.

Well, I have to take this back just a bit. I just returned from one of my quarterly trips to Las Vegas and I did have to drink my beers from the bottle most of the time. (Sierra Nevada Pale in most cases). One time I asked for a glass and it came back in a plastic cup. I saw lots of people drinking Beck's from cans. The horror. The horror.

[hopjack13]

what casino were you in ??? the monte carlo? i think they have snpa there but was unawear of any others thats served it.

[chazwicke]

I have had beer many times at Monte Carlo's brewpub. I was in Venetian mostly but gambled in Bellagio, Ceasers, Flamingo and short stops in some others. All of the bigger casinos had SNPA except the Flamingo.

[hopjack13]

interesting , last time i was there i couldn't find any..... i took the kids to circus circus , then we went to the four kegs for stromboli, that sh#@ was the bomb! the only thing i ever miss about vegas when i leave. mmmmmmmmmm

[chazwicke]

I'm hoping to get back to Las Vegas next month. I'm planning the week of 15th - 22nd. Looks like this is where I'll be going instead of London. Sigh..... At least I'll be in London in May.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by hopjack13
interesting , last time i was there i couldn't find any..... i took the kids to circus circus , then we went to the four kegs for stromboli, that sh#@ was the bomb! the only thing i ever miss about vegas when i leave. mmmmmmmmmm

Circus Circus has the best steakhouse in Las Vegas. I have eaten there many times. My best meal on this trip was Rosewood Grill another old favorite of mine. I had a 3 1/2 lobster and Pilsner Urquell.

[hopjack13]

hey congrats on passing 800 chaz only 190 to go and thats one off your check list you got resolved!

[chazwicke]

Thanks! I want to play with the big boys! Fret sure flew by me!

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Thanks! I want to play with the big boys! Fret sure flew by me!

Just keep dreaming, chaz baby.... :D

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I saw lots of people drinking Beck's from cans. The horror. The horror.

LOL! Maybe not The Heart of Darkness, but the view of it is pretty nice!

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
I have had beer many times at Monte Carlo's brewpub. I was in Venetian mostly but gambled in Bellagio, Ceasers, Flamingo and short stops in some others. All of the bigger casinos had SNPA except the Flamingo.

Isn't there a small Irish themed casino...where the free beer is Guinness? Seems to me that I have their t-shirt buried somewhere, a gift from an old girlfriend who loved Vegas.

S.

PS - did we ever get an answer as to whose tag-line the title of this thread quotes?

[denver brewhoo]

oh---noticed it again this weekend during the playoff games--it's Miller. At least in Denver. But aren't these national commercials? When nobody knew what I was talking about I thought maybe they test-marketed the commercials by region.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by steveh
Isn't there a small Irish themed casino...where the free beer is Guinness? Seems to me that I have their t-shirt buried somewhere, a gift from an old girlfriend who loved Vegas.

S.

PS - did we ever get an answer as to whose tag-line the title of this thread quotes?


Michael O'Sheas. I have never gambled there. But Guinness is available in several of the larger casinos as well.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by denver brewhoo
oh---noticed it again this weekend during the playoff games--it's Miller. At least in Denver. But aren't these national commercials? When nobody knew what I was talking about I thought maybe they test-marketed the commercials by region.

I saw the domino commercial. Silly, very silly!

[hopjack13]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Michael O'Sheas. I have never gambled there. But Guinness is available in several of the larger casinos as well.

yeah we used to go there and get mudslides!(in ths shot glass not the cocktail) they were really good!

[chazwicke]

I was not able to get to any of the brewpubs on this trip. Except in the airport branch of Gordon Biersch. (my plane was delayed 5 hours :( )

[hopjack13]

ha! if you've got 5 hours to kill, no better place then a brew pub to do it in i say! that happened to me in virginia (norfolk) i had about 6 hours to kill, although i imagine the gorden biersch was time better spent then the froggy bottom.

[chazwicke]

Foggy Bottom is brewed for Gary Heurich grandson of Washington DC brewer Christian Heurich. It is contract brewed by FX Matts for now. One day Gary hopes to open up his own brewery here in the DC area.

[hopjack13]

i don't think the beer was great, but it was certainly refreshing to have a hand crafted ale after 5 days of nothing at all. well i did have a spam adams at a place called uno a few days before.

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by steveh
Heh, heh, heh - it was the only answer a befuddled Eric Idle (Terry Jones? Gawd, I'm gettin' old) could formulate with a menacing John Cleese counting down the seconds before time was up! I need to search out that episode on my Python collection -- "Gooood 'a niiiiigght --- dinga-dinga-ding - "

S.

John Cleese was an "eccentric" filmmaker getting his screenwriters opinion on an idea for a film...he fired one writer who liked the idea for being a "yes man", the next for disagreeing with him, the next guy says "yes, I mean no" and is promptly sacked for being indecisive.

The next panicked screenwriter, when pushed for his opinion ("5..4..3..2..!"), blurted out "Splunge!" which he explained meant: "It's a great idea, but possibly not, and I'm not being indecisive"....that was somehow met with approval.

The visuals of the sketch make it much funnier, trust me.

PS - -I wrote that from memory, but I think I got most of it right...

[steveh]

Originally posted by BluesHarp
the next guy says "yes, I mean no" and is promptly sacked for being indecisive.

Promptly sacked? That's an understatement, doesn't his chair fall through the floor? :D

S.

[chazwicke]

And now for something completely different......

I bought the complete python DVD set as well as Meaning of Life, Life of brian, and Holy Grail for my son for Christmas

[toneyc]

Wifey is a complete Python nut. In addition to those, she also has the Fawlty Towers series, Jabberwocky, Time Bandits, Baron Munchausen, did I miss any? Oddly enough, we don't have Brazil. I dunno why she buys them, though, she puts them on and goes to sleep.

:eek:
Toney.

[chazwicke]

Osmosis. She absorbs them in her sleep. My nightly routine consists of sitting in my Lazyboy turning on the TV and watching the back of my eyelids.

[hopjack13]

i think i've watched blazing saddles about 1000 times,(i love mel brookss' films) but i can turn that one on ,close my eyes ,listen to it and totally visualise everything thats going on.

[chazwicke]

Congrats on your 900th. You and Fret are my heros.

[hopjack13]

well thnx chaz! im trying to get to 1000.
fret hasn't said anything yet but i think he's trying to get me??:D

[skahtboi]

"and now for something completely different..."

"The larch."

[hopjack13]

larch?
is that more monty python? i don't belive i have ever seen one episode.

[chazwicke]

Number 2, The Larch.

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by hopjack13
larch?
is that more monty python? i don't belive i have ever seen one episode.

Yes It's Python, as is this:

"NO MORE BLOODY LUPINS!!!"

[hopjack13]

what is a lupin? is that like an umpa lumpa?
ever watch that show jack ass? they got this midget guy and he dressed up like an umpa lumpa and rode a skate board down a sidewalk on a busy street , doing tricks , rail slides and whatever but it freaked people out and it was funny as hell!

[chazwicke]

Nope did not see that but a Lupine is a flower. Dennis Moore, a Robin Hood type, keeps stealing Lupines and giving them to the poor instead of money or gold. Another Python sketch. You need to start watching them.

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by toneyc
...the Fawlty Towers series, Jabberwocky, Time Bandits, Baron Munchausen, did I miss any? .
:eek:
Toney.

...how about "Ripping Yarns" ?

[chazwicke]

Ripping Yarns? Have not heard of that one.

[hopjack13]

Another Python sketch. You need to start watching them

i think i'll see if i ccan rent some this weekend along with millers crossing!

[toneyc]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Ripping Yarns? Have not heard of that one.

Hmmm.... Neither have I.

:)
Toney.

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Nope did not see that but a Lupine is a flower. Dennis Moore, a Robin Hood type, keeps stealing Lupines and giving them to the poor instead of money or gold. Another Python sketch. You need to start watching them.

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,
Riding through the glen,
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore,
Knows not where he's been,
Robs from the poor -
Gives to the rich -
Stupid bitch

Sorry - couldn't help myself. For my next number, I'll be performing the ever popular Lemming of the B.D.A.

I'll leave now...

S.

[chazwicke]

Yes I remember that one too!

Lemming of the BD
Lemming of the BD
Lemming of the BDA

[threecb]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Number 2, The Larch.

Ahhhh...
How to Identify Trees from Very Long Distances Away...

that's also the episode with Eric's "nudgenudge" sketch, I believe...

[fretlessman71]

This was the first MP episode I ever saw. I wasn't sure what to make of it, as I think I was 9....

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Yes I remember that one too!

Lemming of the BD
Lemming of the BD
Lemming of the BDA

You left off:

BD
BD

BD
BD

BD
BDAaaa.

:P

S.

[fretlessman71]

Yep... you'll be at 1000 by the end of the day, steveh! ;)

[chazwicke]

I started watching it by accident when i was in high school back during its initial season in the 1970s I thought it was absolutely hilarious. My buddies and I would tape record the tv and transcribe the skits and re enact them in our drama class. Everyone was asking where we came up with the material. oh and by the way, "Can I call you Eddybaby?"

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Ripping Yarns? Have not heard of that one.

Try this for a start...

Ripping Yarns (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/r/rippingyarns_7775455.shtml)

[skahtboi]

I only vaguely remember "Ripping Yarn." Can't remember why I didn't watch it much.

Now I feel like singing.....

I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
I chop down trees, I wear high heels,
suspenders and a bra.
I wish I was a girly, just like my dear papa.

[fretlessman71]

That would be, "Just like my dear PA-PA." At least it was at the Hollywood Bowl... :)

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
That would be, "Just like my dear PA-PA." At least it was at the Hollywood Bowl... :)

PA-Par!

[fretlessman71]

Yeah, but that doesn't rhyme with BRA, now, does it? Let the damned englishmen learn to speak their own language, fer crying out loud... :p

[chazwicke]

I never saw the Ripping Yarns but the description looks good.

What is that line from my fair lady? "Why can't the English learn to speak?!"

[fretlessman71]

Good old Rex Harrison! (Why do I know this? I'm barely old enough to shave...)

[davesarman]

You know, I'm not a huge Python fan, I've only really seen Holy Grail and Life of Brion, but I must admit I like them a lot. But one thing I have to say, when I see the advertisement on cable TV for their "best of" video and dvd and see all the clips, ("bleghh, I don't like Spam!"), I have to admit that I think it would have been the coolest thing ever to hang out with those guys in a British pub back in the day serving real cask ale.....

[chazwicke]

"I'll have your's, I love it!" The spam skit was great.

[fretlessman71]

"ONE PIECE OF STRAWBERRY TART WITHOUT SO MUCH RAT IN IT LATER"

Sorry, guys... best I could do. :)

[chazwicke]

Now I really know how pathetic I am. I spend all my time here and quoting Python sketches.

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
That would be, "Just like my dear PA-PA." At least it was at the Hollywood Bowl... :)

Consider it changed, then!

[skahtboi]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Now I really know how pathetic I am. I spend all my time here and quoting Python sketches.

NUDGE NUDGE, KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

[fretlessman71]

Yep... say no more! :)

[chazwicke]

Eric Idle was great but Cleese is my fav.

[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Now I really know how pathetic I am. I spend all my time here and quoting Python sketches.

...you are not alone, my friend...

"a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh?":D

[Richard English]

Quote "...What is that line from my fair lady? "Why can't the English learn to speak?!"..."

You mean the one that goes, "...In America they haven't spoken it for years..."?!

By the way, the full version of the lumberjack song can be found here: http://www.diamondgeezers.org.uk/sounds/lyrics/lumberjacksong.html

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
PA-Par!

And "sus-pen-dees." ;)

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Eric Idle was great but Cleese is my fav.

My vote goes to Palin, with Cleese a close second - and he hasn't lost a step. Have you seen him on "Will and Grace?" Classic.

S.

[steveh]

Originally posted by Richard English
You mean the one that goes, "...In America they haven't spoken it for years..."?!

You're correct, we haven't, and I still like garters instead of sus-pen-dees! ;)

S.

[chazwicke]

Yes I'm afraid we massacre the language. Wait is massacre French? ........

[thewiz]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Circus Circus has the best steakhouse in Las Vegas.

Wow.... sorry if I'm being a little pretentious but I equate that statement to someone telling me that Bud Light is the best beer ever made.

I'm going to assume you are talking about the mega-casino steakhouses and not some of the finer restaurants that aren't associated with the strip casinos.... next time you're there - give Ruth's Chris steakhouse (the one on Paradise - not Industrial) a try.

[chazwicke]

I have eaten at many of the finer restraunts in Vegas From Emeril's Delmonico to Bradley Ogdens. And while I think Circus Circus as a hotel and casino are really kind of dumpy and I would never consider staying there, the Steak House there is awesome. They age thier own beef on premisis. I believe if you ask any local they will tell you the same. I have had it recommended to me time and time again. As for Ruth's I have eaten at them all over the country from Maui to 4 of them right here in my area (Washington DC). I usually enjoy my meal at them and they are a fine chain as is Mortons. We also have Sam & Harry's here. The Steak House at Circus Circus is not a chain and is head and shoulders above any other that I have eaten at in Vegas. I stand by my recommendation. Now for lobster, I always eat at the Rosewood Grille. There is another good place called Michaels in another dump casino, The Barbarry Coast, That is excellent. For atmosphere go to the top of the Rio. Beautiful views as well as outstanding rack of lamb.

[denver brewhoo]

Interesting...back in the day the best steak house in Vegas used to be right next to the Circus Circus, and I'm talking like 1987....can't remember the name of it but it was all done up in whorehouse red and had a bunch of antique slot machines, roulette wheels etc as decor...unique in Vegas in that there was no gambling in there, it was just and simply a steak house.

Can't remember the name of it, but it was adjacent to the Circus Circus. Wonder if they bought it out and took it over and incorporated it into their property? If so, and if there's been a continuity of management, I could see it being better than a top echelon chain such as Ruth's Chris.

FWIW, a Vegas local I know always used to take us to the steak joint in the (shudder) Gold Coast, and swore by it...maybe I always caught it on a bad night but it was only average in my experience....

[thewiz]

Originally posted by chazwicke
As for Ruth's I have eaten at them all over the country from Maui to 4 of them right here in my area (Washington DC). I usually enjoy my meal at them and they are a fine chain as is Mortons. We also have Sam & Harry's here. The Steak House at Circus Circus is not a chain and is head and shoulders above any other that I have eaten at in Vegas.

Just out of curiosity, have you been to the Ruth's on Paradise in LV? It is the best Ruth's I have been to. Granted, I have only been to Phoenix, LV Paradise, LV Industrial, and SF Ruth's, but the one on Paradise was definitely the best of them all.... curious if you've been there.

[chazwicke]

Nope I have not. But I will be back there in February and will check it out based on your recommendation. I agree that the consistancy in the Ruth's chain is a little up and down. While all of them are good some are definitely better than others. Have you been to the Steak House at Circus Circus? It is like a little enclave in the middle of an older, run down, past it's prime casino. An oasis. I would not have believed it until I went there. Gallaghers in NYNY is pretty good too. And I eat fairly regularly in my local Palm restraunt but have never eaten at the one in Forum shops at Ceasers. Have you tried Rosewood Grille? The new location is better than the old one that they were at for years.

[threecb]

In New York, Angelo & Maxie's is a great place. I've only been to the one on Park, but it was awesome. I think they have a store in DC, too...

[thewiz]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Nope I have not. But I will be back there in February and will check it out based on your recommendation. I agree that the consistancy in the Ruth's chain is a little up and down.

Let me know what you think of it (LV Paradise).... helps if you are a cigar smoker (ever).... I'll be in LV in April/May for the World Series - I'll try the Circus Circus. I've been to their steakhouse in Reno.... wasn't bad per se....

BTW, I forgot to add Portland.... it was good too. The SF Ruth's had jumbo shrimp to go with their filet.... omfg it was good.... was prepared somewhat similar to lobster - in texture I guess (not sure how to describe it). If you ever go there - that is the dish to get - shrimp/filet combo..... mmmmmmmm

[chazwicke]

My local Ruth's here in Fairfax has an option to get any steak "Oscar" meaning it comes topped with crab meat. It is darned good too! I was only at Circus Circus in Reno a long time ago. I thought the whole town of Reno was kind of dumpy. The Circus, Circus casino in Las Vegas is dumpy too but you will be suprised at the Steakhouse there. They have the beef aging right there and it is a cozy wood paneled atmosphere. With superb food. Watch the horse radish though. It is very hot!