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dallyr
01-03-2004, 11:24 AM
Greetings to all. I've dabbled for a couple of years brewing small batches (1 to 3 gallons) of extract beer with good results. For Christmas I bought myself an upgrade and am now brewing 5 gallon batches. Part of the kit was the "Complete Joy of Homebrewing" in which I got really intriqued by the advanced recipies. I've got one batch of what I call Ginger Ale that I am concerned about. Its the first and so far only batch that I have attempted to use milled grains. Somewhere along the line I think I did something wrong. For this batch I also made the switch from pellet hops to whole hops. I'm pretty picky when it comes to sanitation so I'm fairly sure that is not the problem. My recipe is as follows:

4 lbs medium DME
1 lb Crystal Malt
1/2 lb Chocolate Malt
1 lb cane sugar
4 ounces Crystalized Ginger
1 1/2 ounces domestic nugget (bittering)
1/2 ounce domestic perle (finishing)

Followed all the usual steps of boiling the wort and getting it ready for the carboy (glass 6 gallon filled to 5). After 10 days of primary fermentation I racked it to the secondary plastic bucket. This is when I noticed a pretty strong odor. I took a deep breath of it over the bucket and just about fell over from the extra strong fumes. Tasting revealed extreme bitterness. Well, I pressed on with the secondary fermentaion for 4 weeks hoping it would mellow. No joy. It is still just as "sour" as when I racked it over. After research and reading through other posts I've come to no conclusions, but have a faint idea where I might have gone wrong. After skimming off the grains/hops from the cooling wort I was thinking what a great idea it might be to run water through it to make up the rest of the 5 gallons of liquid to fill the primary (all that great color). Is it possible or probable that I introduced waaaaaaaaaaaaay to many tannins into the mix? And if so, would that be the "sour" (lack of better word) that I have?

Any thoughts or your "war" stories would be appreciated. Meanwhile I'm relaxing and having a homebrew (+ watching the snow fall). Its not the end of the world if I lose this batch. I have 2 others (from Coopers premixes) in the works and a few in the bottle to enjoy.

GunNut76
01-03-2004, 11:35 AM
Did you boil the grains? If so there is your problem. Also I would have omited the sugar and added another pound or pound and a half of DME. Next time you use grains keep the water temp below 170 and you will minimize the tannins.

axis714
01-03-2004, 11:49 AM
^^^ what gunNut said....and also that amount of choc. grain boiled extensively gives off flavors out the wazoo!

Tweek
01-03-2004, 12:07 PM
boiling the grains will give you undesired astrigency for sure. I wouldnt count this bathc out yet though. Give it time. I have had some wierd smells come off my ferments at times, sometimes the ferment is just workign through something. let it finish up then bottle or keg and give it a little time. It may just work itself out.

toneyc
01-03-2004, 12:50 PM
I don't know what "Crystalised ginger" is, but if it is a ginger concentrate, 4 oz may have been too much. Ginger is some pretty strong stuff.

:)
Toney.

Fast_Eddy
01-03-2004, 01:26 PM
The most I could find in any recipe was a suggestion for 4 oz of fresh ginger root. I don't know how(volumetrically) crystallized ginger should be substituted for fresh ginger.

Crystallized ginger is "Young fiber less ginger is steeped in cane sugar syrup and then crystallized to produce free flowing pieces of golden ginger." (www.gingerpeople.com)

dallyr
01-03-2004, 05:59 PM
Ouch!!!! The grains were boiled. Not sure what to do with it now. I was thinking of letting it sit for a while (maybe until spring or summer) to see if it mellows over time. Thanks for the input. But what the heck, I'm still drinking other home brew and watching it snow like crazy.

brewmonkey
01-03-2004, 06:19 PM
Sour does not come from grains it comes from bacteria that has found its way into the wort/beer. Tannins would give off an astringent/harsh flavor but certainly not sour notes.

GunNut76
01-04-2004, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by brewmonkey
Sour does not come from grains it comes from bacteria that has found its way into the wort/beer. Tannins would give off an astringent/harsh flavor but certainly not sour notes.

They both taste the same to me at first...maybe my pallate is just not as sensitive.

ToneyC- Crystalized ginger is just pieces of ginger that have been cooked in a sugar soulution and allowed to dry.