Steveh

[DecoJuicer]

Steve,

I wanted to apologize to you for the recent flair up in the Kid Rock thread. It was really unnecessary on my part. Instead of making it a public battle, I should have just used the pm feature and I'm sure that we could have worked it out like gentleman.

Since I started it in public, it's only fair that I apologize in public also.

I know we have had our differences, but we have also had some decent conversations here. I don't want to be seen as one of the people who just can't get along. I do have a tendency to say what I think(SWMBO says that I have no mind/mouth filter, or more appropriately a mind/finger filter), and sometimes I forget to take a breath and try to look at it from the other persons viewpoint.

One of these days I will make it to Chicago, or you'll make it to the Detroit area. When that happens, the first round is on me.

Mike Slomka

[fretlessman71]

:) I knew this could be a happy place again.

[steveh]

As has been said, this is definitely one of the more unique forums (of any subject) on the internet, and Deco (Mike) reinforces the point here. Where else might you see such sincerity expressed across the web?

To that end, I'll (try to) do the same. I know that there are times when some of my commentary may come across as snide or sarcastic (the sarcasm often being intentional), but I never intend to directly insult anyone, more that I try to show passion about a subject that has been passionate to me for many years -- long before the internet and RealBeer.

My intent here at RB is to quench a thirst of enjoying discussion about beer that I get nowhere else, along with a need to share my experience on the subject garnered over 20 plus years.

I apologize, myself, for failing to recognize that sometimes I'm not clear in my communication and that I often expect forum members to understand my tone and recognize my character after so many years here. An internet mistake, as it's so faceless and really not the corner pub.

So, onward and upward with Fret's "happy place" (no, that wasn't sarcasm), and here's a promise to be more clear, less reactionary, and less curmudgeonly in my communications.

I raise a pint to Deco tonight, and to behind-the-scenes moderator BeerKing (should be DiplomatKing), as well as the whole of RealBeer.

Steve

[beerking]

Thanks to both of you. And welcome back, Fret!

Let's hope this kind of attitude spreads, and sticks! :D

[East Coaster]

I apologize, myself, for failing to recognize that sometimes I'm not clear in my communication and that I often expect forum members to understand my tone and recognize my character after so many years here. An internet mistake, as it's so faceless and really not the corner pub.


That is the problem with internet, emails and other ways of comunication one cannot determine tone through typed words like one can over a pint at a bar, in this way one can say something with emphasis placed in different parts of a sentance and results in two very distinct meanings.

Interpretation is key and since the majority of us are eccentric in nature ( maybe that just relates to me, but....) certain messages may come across being polar opposites to what was intentioned.


For example you may believe that I am trying to come across as inteligent and maybe witty, but I will be the first to tell anyone that I am in fact neither of those things.

Oh and if anyone is up to New Brunswick maple syrup shots are on the house.


Cheers, or in quebexico they express it as Sante!

[fretlessman71]

I think I feel a group hug coming on. (And I'm only being SLIGHTLY sarcastic. ;) )

[beerking]

Just so long as nobody starts singing "Kumbaya!"

[fretlessman71]

:( (dejectedly puts guitar away)

[DecoJuicer]

I hate to see you sad Fret, go ahead and play it for us!!

By the way, where can I illegally download some of your music???:eek: :D

[steveh]

I think I feel a group hug coming on. (And I'm only being SLIGHTLY sarcastic. ;) )

So much for the sincerity. :rolleyes:

S.

[fretlessman71]

Actually, that was pretty honest. Being honest about the level of sarcasm in a given statement is an interesting paradox, don't you think? :D If someone was sarcastic at all, you'd have to take everything they said through a "sarcasm filter" first, including any and all "honest statements". This concept has given rise to the once-unnecessary phrase, "What are you trying to say?"

Gotta love the english language. ;)

[steveh]

This concept has given rise to the once-unnecessary phrase, "What are you trying to say?"

I think the "group hug" suggestion threw the thread off course, just a little. Dr. Phil. :rolleyes:

In all true sincerity, this forum has to be about the most honest place on the internet. Does that speak to the intelligence of good beer drinkers?

S.

[Mikegobrew]

I kinda feel guilty as the person who posted the original comment that got all of this started, and I'd like to just say that I'm glad you guys are getting along again. (I'd hate to see how the "group hug" thing would have turned out had this happened at the corner pub at 2:15am). LOL. I don't have a filter either, so if I ever offend or come across the wrong way, I didn't mean it. If I intend to, you'll definitely know it. :)

[Mikegobrew]

If I intend to, you'll definitely know it. :)

Wait...that didn't come out right. :)

[beerking]

Thanks, Mike. We are all trying to keep this THE most friendly place on the web, AND about beer at the same time! :D

[chazwicke]

Man! I go on vacation for 1 week and see I miss? At any rate, This has always been a happy, civil and gentlemanly place. That's why I hang my hat here. Glad to see everything has been patched up. Now move along....There's nothing to see here...

(Thanks BK for the behind the scenes diplomacy)

[HogieWan]

It is the most friendly forum on the web - well, the most friendly in a non-romantic way :D

[wortchillergoal]

I mthink that all of you fellow beer lovers here at Realbeer are da bomb.

[DecoJuicer]

It is the most friendly forum on the web - well, the most friendly in a non-romantic way :D


Thtop it.;)

[steveh]

I kinda feel guilty as the person who posted the original comment that got all of this started,

And I promise we'll have a friendly, civilized discussion about light lagers (the good, bad, ugly, and trans-stereotypical) sometime soon.

S.

[HogieWan]

And I promise we'll have a friendly, civilized discussion about light lagers (the good, bad, ugly, and trans-stereotypical) sometime soon.

S.

steve - I think your reference to light lagers is intended to mean pale lagers where the common usage of "light lager" refers to "low calorie" lager

I was going to PM this to you, but I felt it might be better here

[DecoJuicer]

steve - I think your reference to light lagers is intended to mean pale lagers where the common usage of "light lager" refers to "low calorie" lager

I was going to PM this to you, but I felt it might be better here

Oh Christ....here we go again.:D

[beerking]

steve - I think your reference to light lagers is intended to mean pale lagers where the common usage of "light lager" refers to "low calorie" lager

I was going to PM this to you, but I felt it might be better here

I think those are "lite" lagers. :D

[steveh]

steve - I think your reference to light lagers is intended to mean pale lagers where the common usage of "light lager" refers to "low calorie" lager

I used "light lagers" as the term that sparked the original conversation...

But check BJCP for further confirmation. :)

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style01.php Note categories 1D & 1E.

Nice and easy, eh Deco? :D

S.

[DecoJuicer]

Nice & easy.

Do you know what we REALLY need around here? We need a common definition thread. That might put a stop to some of the confusion.

For instance:

Light Lager vs. Pale Lager. We all probably know what the BJCP guidelines say, but how are those terms used in reality. I would bet that most people think of BMC as light lagers and craft beers like Bell's Lager of the Lake or Troegs(?) Sunshine Pils.

If everybody knows what everybody else is talking about, and we have a common usage definition, then there won't be a "Oh, I thought that you meant..., but I was really talking about..."

Of course, I could just be blowing smoke out of me arse.

[beerking]

I reference the BJCP that Steve listed above. Note category 1A: "Lite" lagers, distinct from "light" lagers.

[East Coaster]

Enough about the definitions what is it you guys like in theese beers?

I am quite particular to a good bohemian pilsner, or a nice blonde ale.

\However I sometimes cringe when I see an exempilary beer style on the label of bland.

Canadian examples are labat blue pilsner and alex keiths pale aale.

it would be somewhat dificult to distinguish the two between a blind taste test with a third glass filled with water. (might be exagerating a little).

and what about the wit's and the heffe's they are my favorite summer selection.

there has just been the introduction of mill streets organic lager which is as bland as the bigger guys and is marketed to the "granola" eaters. I am not willing to pay $12 for six bottles of water and hence not willing to do the same for beer that tastes like water. Well not twice anyways first try was a sneaky one and I gave most of that beer away.

[beerking]

there has just been the introduction of mill streets organic lager which is as bland as the bigger guys and is marketed to the "granola" eaters.

Do you mean Mill "Stream?" IIRC, that is a Miller product, which would explain your experience.

[HogieWan]

Enough about the definitions what is it you guys like in theese beers?


there is something about the subtlety inherent to a well crafted helles. Everything is just right. They are easy to drink with just a touch this or that to keep it interesting for the whole glass.

[steveh]

Do you mean Mill "Stream?" IIRC, that is a Miller product, which would explain your experience.

Millstream is a micro in Iowa: http://www.millstreambrewing.com/
Been around since '85 and there's no Miller affiliation (though I think that's been a myth for a long time).

Mill Street is a Canadian brewery, don't know that I've ever seen it here.

To Hogie's point, there is something nice and satisfying about a good, mellow Helles. It's not screaming for attention, but the rich malt flavor and soft mouth-feel just go down so easy. Every time I have a fresh one I have to wonder where the US macros got off track.

S.

[beerking]

To Hogie's point, there is something nice and satisfying about a good, mellow Helles. It's not screaming for attention, but the rich malt flavor and soft mouth-feel just go down so easy. Every time I have a fresh one I have to wonder where the US macros got off track.S.

Totally agree there! It is one of my favorite styles! A great "session lager!" ;)

[corkybstewart]

Totally agree there! It is one of my favorite styles! A great "session lager!" ;)
During our trip to Germany last summer I noticed that pretty much everywhre we went we had the same basic selection of lagers:Keller(unfiltered), Pils, Helles and dunkle. There were a few others but that's 90% of what we drank(excluding hefe's). Sounds boring but within those plain-jane categories there's an amazing variety of flavors and textures that are different from brewery to brewery. And unlike our previous trip to Belgium, you could drink 6 or 8 of these and make it back to the room vertically. So this fall/winter brewing season I brewed a Pilsner (OG 1.055 I think) and a Marzen at around 1.062. We tapped the first Pilsner keg and it was gone in 10 days. I just tapped the first keg of Marzen and it's very good also, but I'm not entirely satisfied that I did it justice. It may need a little more hops at the 20 minute mark.
I will tell you that from a homebrewing standpoint these beers are a lot more challenging than brewing a 10%, 90 IBU Imperial stout but I've found I'd much rather be drinking these "bland" lagers than anything else in the kegerator. Now my quest is to be able to brew these so I'll have them year round.