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seafra
01-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Stickie thermometers are surprisingly accurate for a $3 investment. Unfortunately, they do not necessarily measure what a brewer really needs to know. They are good at measuring ambient temperature when adhered to glass or plastic. These materials are great insulators---even more so for plastic, and atmospheric conditions (temperature and humidity) have greater effect on an external liquid crystal strip than the core temperature of the wort/beer.

I have two good brew buddies: one still ferments in buckets (despite the fact that he is a radiologist with plenty of disposable income); the other is a chemist that, like me, has a serious case of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome). The chemist and I have stainless steel conical fermenters and chide our tight wad friend for making beer in a plastic piece of shite that his son brought home from McDonald's.

In one of our many attempts to get Ebenezer to upgrade his equipment, we showed him how he had no idea at what temperature he was fermenting. Using a digital lab thermometer with a 12 inch probe, we measured the core temperature of a batch of his beer in vigorous fermentation in the bucket. The beer was 8 degrees above the reading of his stickie thermometer; however, the stickie was only 2 degrees above ambient temperature.

So, this anecdote should have ended with Dr. Skin-flint ordering a shiny new Blichmann conical. To the contrary, he said, "D@MN! Now I've got to figure out how to keep my bucket 8 degrees cooler!" Even when our friend further explained that lowering the ambient temp 8 degrees would not conduct off the equivalent through plastic, he just said, "FINE! I'll make it 10 degrees cooler."

P.S. Stickies are much more accurate on stainless steel. At the time of the temperature test above, I was still fermenting in Corny kegs. My core temp measured 5 degrees above ambient and only 2 degrees above the stickie thermometer.

P.S.S. Although we did not measure a glass carboy, Mr. Wizard estimated that a carboy should measure about 4-5 degrees off from a stickie thermometer, as the insulating properties of glass are around half that of plastic.
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beerking
01-21-2009, 09:04 PM
I see by the number of post that you are fairly new here. On this board, we refrain from multiple postings. If people want to read what you have to say, they can read it in a single post.
Most members use the "new posts" feature, so we usually keep up with all posts.
Welcome to the board.

seafra
01-21-2009, 10:01 PM
I see by the number of post that you are fairly new here. On this board, we refrain from multiple postings. If people want to read what you have to say, they can read it in a single post.
Most members use the "new posts" feature, so we usually keep up with all posts.
Welcome to the board.

I felt that the subject merited a thread of its own so the experience I was sharing would be under a title specific to the topic, not buried in a thread concerned with whether yeast will taste like honey. Many members also use the "search title" function, and this new thread makes the information more readily accessible.
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Botoole560
01-22-2009, 06:58 AM
:rolleyes:

JayShaw91
01-22-2009, 07:59 AM
Seafra, don't sweat it, man. I get why you did it. BeerKing didn't mean anything by it.

Next time maybe just throw a quick "those things aren't so good" in the one thread so it isn't a total hijack and then start this one to discuss the merits of the stickie thermometers? I dunno.

Regardless, don't sweat it too much.

steveh
01-22-2009, 08:26 AM
I thought comments such as yours would be more appropriate for PMing rather than posting.

It wasn't a comment, and it wasn't a call for sarcasm or surliness -- we really do frown on double-posting because it just becomes repetitious (see any other forum out there).

As Jay says, don't sweat it, just live and learn and understand that there really are people around here that post and read for the information and fun, not any sort of fame and fortune (we wish).

S.

corkybstewart
01-22-2009, 10:34 AM
It wasn't a comment, and it wasn't a call for sarcasm or surliness -- we really do frown on double-posting because it just becomes repetitious (see any other forum out there).

As Jay says, don't sweat it, just live and learn and understand that there really are people around here that post and read for the information and fun, not any sort of fame and fortune (we wish).

S.
And for post-whoring there's always the Nevermind thread.:D

Mill Rat
01-24-2009, 11:16 AM
Anyway, back to the topic here, as Seafra noted, the readings of the sticky strip on the stainless vessels will be more accurate than on the glass or plastic. Metal is a far better conductor of heat than glass or plastic, and both of those conduct better than air does. Air's only advantage is that it can move, and when you stop it from moving, like in the pockets of insulating blankets or foam, it is one of the best and cheap insulators there is.

got_homebrew
01-26-2009, 05:08 PM
and if there emerged in water during the summer months.........worthless!

nelstrodomus
01-27-2009, 08:03 PM
it's etiquette anyways...:)