All-grain Conversion

[larin1477]

Hey all...I've decided to go to all-grain with my next batch...(well after I brew the community ESB extract version this week)...
I was wondering if someone could help with the conversion on this recipe I came up with...thanks in advance.


Red Sox Amber
Water: Spring Water

1tsp gypsum in the boil

.5lb Muntons Pale
.5lb Malted Barley( U.S. 6 Row)
.5lb Crystal 60L
.5lb Carapils
2oz Roasted Barley

Steeped in 2.5 gallons for 30 min at 150

3lbs Amber DME
6lbs Light DME
1lb Light brown sugar (flameout)

.5oz Magnum (60)
.5oz Cascade (60)
.5oz Fuggles (15)
.5oz Fuggles (Flameout)
.5oz Fuggles (dry hop)

1tsp Irish Moss (15)

Wyeast Irish Ale

Plan on 1 week in the primary and 2 weeks in the secondary...then 3-4 in the bottle...that makes it ready for 1st week of June!

Predicted OG 1.080
SBU's 48.1
SRM's 15.3

GO SOX!

[HogieWan]

based on your predicted OG, I'm guessing it's a 6 gal batch.

Here's the AG version of the grain bill according to BeerSmith:

13.5 lbs Pale Malt (I removed the 6-row as it's unnecessary)
1.5 lb Crystal Malt (from your 1/2 lb and the amber dme)
1/2 lb CaraPils
2 oz Roasted Barley
1 lbs Brown Sugar

That's a good bit of crystal, you may want to sub in some other darker malts like chocolate, caramunich, carared, etc

[larin1477]

Originally posted by HogieWan
based on your predicted OG, I'm guessing it's a 6 gal batch.


Actually its a 5 gallon batch...thanks Hogie

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by larin1477
Actually its a 5 gallon batch...thanks Hogie

then your OG is 1.100, not 80

[vw addict]

Originally posted by HogieWan

That's a good bit of crystal, you may want to sub in some other darker malts like chocolate, caramunich, carared, etc
or maybe use less of a darker crystal and add in some Vienna or Biscuit to give it a tad bit more flavor. Or at least that's what I would do.:p You wouldn't want to use too much of anything dark anyway if you're aiming for an amber.

[dparsons]

Originally posted by HogieWan
That's a good bit of crystal, you may want to sub in some other darker malts like chocolate, caramunich, carared, etc

I think the original Munton's pale and 6-row don't equate to crystal and were intended as base malts to provide enzyme conversion. I'd put those in base malt and not crystal. Crystal at more than 10% of the grist is too much.

I'd also consider the suggestion VW made for Vienna or Biscuit malt. Some toasted grain in an Amber would be very tasty.

http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/Category10.html#style10B
Ingredients: Pale ale malt, typically American two-row. Medium to dark crystal malts. May also contain specialty grains which add additional character and uniqueness. American hops, often with citrusy flavors, are common but others may also be used. Water can vary in sulfate and carbonate content.

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by dparsons
I think the original Munton's pale and 6-row don't equate to crystal and were intended as base malts to provide enzyme conversion. I'd put those in base malt and not crystal. Crystal at more than 10% of the grist is too much.

yes, but the recipe uses amber dme, that's where the rest of the crystal came from. Beersmith uses crystal by default for subbing in for color.

[larin1477]

Originally posted by HogieWan
then your OG is 1.100, not 80

Is this calculated at 100% efficency?

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by larin1477
Is this calculated at 100% efficency?

for extract? yes. You can't mess up your efficiency with extract and the partial mash won't affect the gravity that much.

[larin1477]

Ok...thanks to Hogie and Dparsons for all the help on this...Im pretty sure (about 95%) Im going to make this my 1st All-grain brew.

Using suggestions here is the updated recipe

13.5lbs Pale Malt
1lb Crystal 40
.5 lbs Biscuit
.5lbs Carapils
2oz Roasted Barley

1lb brown sugar (10)

Hop Schedule
.5oz Magnum (60)
.5oz Fuggles (60)
.5oz Cascade (15)
.5oz Fuggles (15)
.5oz Cascade (flameout)
.5oz Fuggles (Flameout)
.5oz Fuggles (Dry)

Plan on a 90 min Boil
SG 1.091
SRM 15.6
IBU's 42.6

at 70% efficency...(hoping to hit that seeing as it will e my 1st all-grain batch)

[dparsons]

Originally posted by HogieWan
yes, but the recipe uses amber dme, that's where the rest of the crystal came from. Beersmith uses crystal by default for subbing in for color.


That makes sense. And it is a lot of crystal.

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by dparsons
That makes sense. And it is a lot of crystal.

that's why I suggested other grains to make up color instead of using all the crystal - his grain bill looks pretty good now.

However, larin, I would suggest going with a well known recipe, possibly even a clone for your first all grain. That way, if something comes out funny, you'll know that it's not the recipe.

[larin1477]

good suggestion...thanks

[larin1477]

I took your advice Hogie and brewed two all-grain batches before this one ....one's in the primary one in the secondary...
Also decreased the grain bill to get a little closer to the SG that the American Amber calls for...Im brewin this one next week!

9lbs two row
1lb crystal 40
8oz carapils
8oz biscuit
2oz roasted barley

1lb brown sugar (10)

.5 oz Magnum (60)
.5 oz Fuggles (60)
.5 oz Cascade (15)
.5 oz Fuggles (15)
.5 oz Cascade (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (Dry)

Irish Ale yeast WLP 004
90 Min Boil

SG 1.067
SRM 14.7
IBU'S 47.3

[BrewDog]

Larin-

This looks like a delicious beer just as it is, but I suspect it may be just a bit too bitter to really be an Amber. I'd say this is in that gray zone between ESB/Pale Ale and Single IPA.

Now, if you want it to be more to style as an Amber, drop the 60 min Fuggles addition, and adjust to try to hit around 32 IBUs overall (.5 GU:BU). Ambers balance the malt with the hops.

http://www.bjcp.org/styles04/Category10.html#style10B

With the Irish yeast, you might compare this with the style guidelines for an Irish Red, but for that you pretty much need to eliminate the flavor and aroma hops altogether.

[Personally, I love beers that aren't to a strict style.]

HTH-

[larin1477]

Ok...i can drop the fuggles at 60...also do you suggest a different yeast?...(usually i could care less about style but im trying to stay within the guideline with my next two batches)...

[BrewDog]

Any American ale yeast would be fine (Wyeast 1056 or WLP001 or Safale S-05). Or, you could go for a malt-enhancer like WLP002 or Wyeast 1098 or 1968.

They tend to work quite well when you want to enhance malt flavor.

[larin1477]

one more question..I read that an IPA does better on a yeast cake...which of those yeasts you mentioned would you recommend for both this Amber and my next Hop Bomb IPA...or will that work at all?...

[BrewDog]

All of the yeasts I mentioned will work for both, but I'm kinda partial to WLP002.

Use a blowoff tube right from the start if you pitch onto a yeast cake. Don't bother with an airlock on the primary at all.

[larin1477]

ok i know that no question is stupid ...but...what is a blowoff tube...ive only used airlocks so im pretty sure i dont have one...

[BrewDog]

on the link below, scroll down a little to a picture of a bucket and a carboy with a tube coming out going to a little pail.

The tube is a blowoff tube. It is about an inch or so in diameter. It will exactly fit your carboy neck. It acts like a huge airlock when the other end is immersed in a bucket of sanitizer. This is so the yeast won't clog up your airlock.

If you have a plastic bucket fermenter, try to come up with something that will act the same way -- big enough to let the yeast out but still seal your fermenter.

If this is your first time pitching wort onto a yeast cake, you will be amazed at how strong the fermentation will be.

click me (http://www.howtobrew.com/equipment.html)

HTH-

[larin1477]

Red Sox Amber

9lbs two row
1lb crystal 40
8oz carapils
8oz biscuit
2oz roasted barley

1tsp gypsum

1lb brown sugar (10)

.5 oz Magnum (60)
.5 oz Cascade (15)
.5 oz Fuggles (15)
.5 oz Cascade (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (Dry)
Irish Moss (15)

English Ale yeast WLP002
90 Min Boil

SG 1.067
SRM 14.7
IBU'S 36
5 Gallon batch

Brewin it tomorrow!

Thanks to B'Dog and Hogie!

[larin1477]

Red Sox Amber

9lbs two row (3.4)
1lb crystal 20
8oz carapils (7)
8oz biscuit (23)
2oz roasted barley (500)

1tsp gypsum

1lb brown sugar (10)

.5 oz Magnum (60)
.5 oz Cascade (15)
.5 oz Fuggles (15)
.5 oz Cascade (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (0)
.5 oz Fuggles (Dry)
Irish Moss (15)
yeast nutrient (10)

Gonna rack over WLP 005 (from Community ESB) cuz im cheap

60 Min Boil

SG 1.067
SRM 14.7
IBU'S 36
5 Gallon batch

Just finished brewin this one...cooling as we speak...cant wait to taste it!!

GO SOX!