Recipe suggestions/advice

[new2brew]

Working on the recipe for what will be my 3rd brew on my brew schedule an APA
I'm looking for a year round, Ahhhhhh it's good to be home from work, let's draw a pint, type of brew.

Whitetail Pale Ale

.25 lbs. American Victory
.5 lbs. Honey Malt
.5 lbs. Belgian Caravienne
Steeped for 30 mins @ 160 F

7.5 lbs. Liquid Light Extract
.6 oz. Galena (Pellets, 13.00 %AA) boiled 60 minutes.
.5 oz. Cascade (Pellets, 5.50 %AA) boiled 15 minutes.
.5 oz. Willamette (Pellets, 5.00 %AA) boiled 15 minutes.
1 oz. Cascade (Pellets, 5.50 %AA) flame out.
Yeast : White Labs WLP051 California Ale V

Dry hop in secondary
.75 oz. Cascade (Pellets, 5.50 %AA)
.75 oz. Willamette (Pellets, 5.00 %AA)

Original Gravity 1.056
Terminal Gravity 1.015
Color 11.09 °SRM
Bitterness 40 IBU
Alcohol (%volume) 5.4 %

If I'm going to dry hop should I do away with the 1 oz of cascades at flameout?

Also thinking maybe mini-mash, substitute 2 lb pale malt for 1.5 lb of the LME and mash with the specialty grains.

Comments, suggestions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

TIA
George

[YamahaXS]

looks good to me. I might cut back on the hops a bit. Especially if you are doing a full boil. Maybe condsider using 3 oz total. Just my 2 cents. :)

[brewmonkey]

Adding hops at kettle off will still extract some bitterness where as dry hopping will extract none. If you are counting on the IBU's from the late addition I would keep them and still dry hop.

That is a lot of hops for only 40 IBU's. Your first addition alone is going to be around 35 IBU's and the rest bring it closer to 50 or so.

[new2brew]

Guys, thanks for the advice.

Beer Tools gives me 41.5 IBU's with this hop schedule. I wonder if the utilization formula is off a bit. I'm going to DL Promash and try it in there.

Do you think a mini-mash would get better flavor componants from the specialty grains? I've not done one yet but it doesn't seem real difficult to do.

George

[new2brew]

Ok the beer tools formula for hop utilization must be off, I just use the free version and you can't change the algorithm.

I DLed the eval version of Promash (and ordered the full version) with the same hops schedule it gave me an IBU of 45.9 I change I backed off the Galena to .5 oz Now I get 39.7


Anyone else using Promash?

George

[Beerconnoisseur]

I tried using ProMash to calculate the IBUs for your recipe, and (assuming a 6 month degradation period) came up with 44.28 IBUs. The version of ProMash I'm using doesn't seem to have a utility for dry hopping, so the numbers may be off a bit. But it should be pretty potent, in any case.

Most of the recipes I've used specify hop additions at 60 minutes (bittering), 5 minutes (flavoring), or with 1 or 2 minutes left in the boil (aroma). Not to say that adding at 15 minutes, or at flameout is wrong by any means, but you may lose more hop flavor than you'd like. I'd pick either hop, or malt flavor, and try to have one or the other stand out, but not both.

If you do a mini-mash, you may want to go with 2.5 or even 3 pounds of pale malt, just to be on the safe side. Oh, and I would definitely steep the specialty grains for 60 minutes, but I'm a malt-head, so take that with a grain of..... oh, nevermind. :D

[bierboy]

Personally, I would not use the Galena. I like the bittering better from lower alpha hops. I would try using 1 oz of Cascade instead og .6oz Galena.

As for the dry hopping, from what I understand the gold standard of APA's, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, dumps a ton of Cascade at flameout and does not dry hop. I believe you woul need to add about 3 oz of Cascade at flameout to get that aroma.

[brewmonkey]

Flavor hops would come closer to the 30 minute mark with aroma additions coming sometime after 15 minute mark.