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el beero
02-08-2007, 06:13 PM
Hello all-
New to the board, new to the obsession. So Ive got my first batch going in the primary and have developed a few questions.

Now, Im sure that Uncle Charlie would tell me just to relax and have a homebrew...and Im right there, these are just some nitpicky things that I am wondering about in an effort to make my first batch something I can show off and also improve on for the next attempt.

So I'm brewing an American Amber Ale (Yup, a Red Seal Ale Clone was too much to resist!). Things were generally good with the boil and subsequent transfer to the primary. Biggest lesson there is already going to be resolved by the time the primary is available again for the next batch...and that is namely a larger brew pot!

But that leads me to the first question. The recipe called for a 5 gal. total volume. Because I was afeared of making a horrible sticky mess out of my kitchen I ended up with a smaller batch of about 3.5 gal. I probably should have added it to the primary, BUT, since the recipe calls for a 2 week stay in the secondary, can I add water to increase the volume when I transfer? Will I affect the yeast if the water is too cold and stop the fermentation? Will I be watering down the flavor too far? If I don't should I expect really strong beer?

In a related, but probably less critical curiosity...when I took a specific gravity reading before adding the yeast I got a reading of 1.080, and the hydrometer barely seemed to even sink at all. My thought is that because I used the amount of malt extract called for in the 5 gal. recipe, and the water was far more dense. If I am recommended to add water to the secondary per question above, should I keep adding water until I get a specific gravity reading close to what was listed in the recipe (as opposed to a more arbitrary amount like 1.5 gal. or whatever it actually takes to reach 5 gal)?

Third, and probably most pressing concerns dry hopping as the recipe calls for it in the secondary. Do I need to use whole leaf hops for dry hopping or can I use the remainder of the pellet packet that Ive kept in the refridgerator? Also, what is the procedure for dry hopping? How necessary?

And, FINALLY, bottling...can I bottle directly from the secondary? Or will there be enough sediment from the yeast and the leftover hops make it impossible to stir in the priming sugar (also, how do you stir the priming sugar into a carboy?)?

Ok, I think thats about all. As you can tell I spent a lot of time at work this week thinking about this while it has been in the primary. I realize there is a lot there to respond to...but I've been waiting patiently for my account to activate, and reading a lot of posts. Thanks in advance for the advice!

BrewDog
02-08-2007, 06:42 PM
Hello all-
New to the board, new to the obsession. So Ive got my first batch going in the primary and have developed a few questions.

Welcome & congrats!



Now, Im sure that Uncle Charlie would tell me just to relax and have a homebrew...and Im right there, these are just some nitpicky things that I am wondering about in an effort to make my first batch something I can show off and also improve on for the next attempt.

Charlie gives good advice.


So I'm brewing an American Amber Ale (Yup, a Red Seal Ale Clone was too much to resist!). Things were generally good with the boil and subsequent transfer to the primary. Biggest lesson there is already going to be resolved by the time the primary is available again for the next batch...and that is namely a larger brew pot!

Most of us here agree 7.5 gals is the BARE MINIMUM for a full boil.


But that leads me to the first question. The recipe called for a 5 gal. total volume. Because I was afeared of making a horrible sticky mess out of my kitchen I ended up with a smaller batch of about 3.5 gal. I probably should have added it to the primary, BUT, since the recipe calls for a 2 week stay in the secondary, can I add water to increase the volume when I transfer? Will I affect the yeast if the water is too cold and stop the fermentation? Will I be watering down the flavor too far? If I don't should I expect really strong beer?


Yes you will get really strong beer if you don't add the top up water.

Yes, It would have been a lot easier to have added it to the primary. The problem is that you will be adding oxygen post ferment. That causes oxidation (staling). If you pitched your yeast only a few hours ago, and there's no activity, go ahead and top it up now. The yeast need any oxygen you can give them at this point.

If you see real activity at this point in the primary, don't do it yet. Just wait until you rack to the secondary.
Boil the top up water and cool it down to 70F. Then rack your beer in. Finally, add the top up water to the secondary, preferably by siphoning it too so you don't kick up any bubbles.

Relax, don't worry, it'll be fine.



In a related, but probably less critical curiosity...when I took a specific gravity reading before adding the yeast I got a reading of 1.080, and the hydrometer barely seemed to even sink at all. My thought is that because I used the amount of malt extract called for in the 5 gal. recipe, and the water was far more dense. If I am recommended to add water to the secondary per question above, should I keep adding water until I get a specific gravity reading close to what was listed in the recipe (as opposed to a more arbitrary amount like 1.5 gal. or whatever it actually takes to reach 5 gal)?


Once it's finished fermenting, go by volume to make things easier.


Third, and probably most pressing concerns dry hopping as the recipe calls for it in the secondary. Do I need to use whole leaf hops for dry hopping or can I use the remainder of the pellet packet that Ive kept in the refridgerator? Also, what is the procedure for dry hopping? How necessary?


You can dry hop with pellets no problem. Put them in your secondary and siphon the beer onto them. They will float, but eventually they will sink. Don't worry if they never sink, but they probably will or partially will.


And, FINALLY, bottling...can I bottle directly from the secondary? Or will there be enough sediment from the yeast and the leftover hops make it impossible to stir in the priming sugar (also, how do you stir the priming sugar into a carboy?)?


It's best to rack out of secondary into a bottling bucket, where you have already put your priming sugar solution.
This helps keep sediment/dry hops/pellet flakes out of the bottles and makes things cleaner. Then, you fill your bottles from that.


Ok, I think thats about all. As you can tell I spent a lot of time at work this week thinking about this while it has been in the
primary. I realize there is a lot there to respond to...but I've been waiting patiently for my account to activate, and reading a lot of posts. Thanks in advance for the advice!

Good luck and welcome to the hobby-

dparsons
02-09-2007, 02:36 AM
Welcome aboard. I 2nd the above responses to your questions.

el beero
02-09-2007, 07:03 AM
AWESOME! You guys are amazing! BrewDog, your advice was perfect and now I am excited for sunday to roll around so I can rack to secondary and get this puppy well on its way. Waiting is certainly the hardest part at this point. I particularly like Papazian's advice on starting a batch of beer that you should have a bottle from your previous batch (and should continue to do so to quell the impatience)...that is just difficult on your first batch! The two weeks in the secondary I think are going to be most painful, but luckily, I can start my second batch 1/2 way through. Well, thanks again...Im looking forward to being a part of this community and hope that I can give some advice at some point.

BigE
02-09-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by el beero
The two weeks in the secondary I think are going to be most painful, but luckily, I can start my second batch 1/2 way through. Well, thanks again...Im looking forward to being a part of this community and hope that I can give some advice at some point.

I'm there right now (1 week in secondary..time moving slower every day!)....but I think the 3~4 weeks in the bottles will be the toughest :)