Scotch Ale report....

[ray m]

I was bored as hell tonight, repeatedly getting the chuckles reading the ongoing pissin' match in croc4's "new kegger question" post. Decided to see how my Scotch Ale was doing. Two weeks in the bottle now, and it is getting pretty decent carbonation already. Beautiful burgundy color. Head pretty decent for only 2 weeks in the bottle. Excellent malty taste and just a slight detection of alcoholic warmth goin' down the gullet. I wish you guys could sample this with me. Now that my curiosity is satisfied, I'll now try to wait to break out the rest starting @ Thanksgiving, but it'll be difficult now....

[croc4]

for both points (the piss'in match and the taste of a brewed scotch ale), I'm going to post another question about keggin', I hope this one goes over better...lol

I only have a few bottles left from my scotch ale, and have started two more batches since then because it is soooo good.
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[ray m]

Yeah...Scotch Ale is one of my 3 favorite types of beer, along with English Pales/Bitters, & stouts.

I still shake my head about the controversy that erupted (unintentionally on your part) with your last started post on kegging---Jesus Christ, if it keeps up, I'm wondering if I'm gonna start seeing blood spatter on additional posts on that! I noticed Richard E has another reply (that I haven't gotten to reading yet). I think that's why ToneyC's reply on your latest started thread was so damn short!!:p One hornet's nest is enough, I suppose!!

[Fast_Eddy]

Do you think it was that bad? I don't - just lively.

To me it's a natural occurence when people feel passionately about something and there's a disagreement. Normally I wouldn't get sucked into an argument that essentially boils down to a matter of opinion but , I mean, it is beer after all.

[ray m]

No, no, Eddy--I didn't think it was that bad at all (note the emoticon!!:D ). Although it was indeed, uh, spirited to say the least! I was mainly just being silly in describing the jousts and volleys going back 'n' forth.

I'm sure there will be a subject that will come along at some point on the board that will stir my innards into a frenzy. But, like you, I normally try to remain an outside observer.

[Richard English]

I believe there is a difference between debate and argument.

What we have been seeing here is debate and it has been largely characterised by the submission of reasoned points of view. That they differ is one of the charcteristics of debate; you cannot debate something about which you all agree.

Argument is wher the protagonists persist in putting forward a point of view which is characterised primarly by emotion, not fact, and where none of those involved are prepared to consider that others' points of view have any possible validity.

That some of us agree to differ about the merits and demerits of natural and artificial carbonation matters not. What does distinguish proper debate is that those involved, whether as protagonists or onlookers, are prepared to consider other points of view and maybe to try other ideas that they would previously not considered.

[sallad]

Argument is wher the protagonists persist in putting forward a point of view which is characterised primarly by emotion, not fact, and where none of those involved are prepared to consider that others' points of view have any possible validity.

no it isn't!

[ray m]

Richard, you say "tomato", I say "tomahto". Or vice-versa. An argument most certainly CAN be based on facts. Who says it can't be?!? I believe that debates differ from arguments in the sense that arguments are much more supercharged with emotion (which you indeed eluded to)---usually hostile. However, arguments most certainly can have some degree, however large or small, of factual basis.

[Fast_Eddy]

Originally posted by Richard English
I believe there is a difference between debate and argument.

What we have been seeing here is debate and it has been largely characterised by the submission of reasoned points of view. That they differ is one of the charcteristics of debate; you cannot debate something about which you all agree.

Argument is wher the protagonists persist in putting forward a point of view which is characterised primarly by emotion, not fact, and where none of those involved are prepared to consider that others' points of view have any possible validity.

That some of us agree to differ about the merits and demerits of natural and artificial carbonation matters not. What does distinguish proper debate is that those involved, whether as protagonists or onlookers, are prepared to consider other points of view and maybe to try other ideas that they would previously not considered.


Here, here....on this point I agree with you whole-heartedly.

[sallad]

i just hope my "no it isn't" comment was recognized as classic british humor, straight from a monty python skit...

[Fast_Eddy]

"That's not argument - it's contradiction"

"No it isn't."

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How about this one -

"Well it's certainly not infected with cheese now is it?"


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[BluesHarp]

Originally posted by Fast_Eddy
Here, here....on this point I agree with you whole-heartedly.

I got it immediately...thanks for the laugh...

Splunge!!!

I actually used that in a meeting once; my manager (who is a twit) stared at me for about a minute, then just went on to the next item on the agenda. :D

[Richard English]

Is this a 10 minute argument, or the full half hour?

[ray m]

It's a debate only....and it's only 5 minutes long........