I love Budweiser !!!

[kutuyach]

Just kidding! ;) Got your attention, though, haven't I ?

Well, I went to Bud's website. They are claiming that their rice costs more than barley malt. Why would anyone sane use this junk in a beer for any reason, other than saving money ???

[YamahaXS]

does anyone know if A/B uses corn sugar? If so, how much of their fermentables?

just curious.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by kutuyach
Just kidding! ;) Got your attention, though, haven't I ?

Well, I went to Bud's website. They are claiming that their rice costs more than barley malt. Why would anyone sane use this junk in a beer for any reason, other than saving money ???

Rice prepped for brewing is more expensive. I pay about $.55 a LB vs. $.29 for 2-Row.

However, they may claim it is more expensive, but that is in a pre-gelatinized flake and IIRC they use raw rice in a cooker which is like the rice you buy in the store that takes 30-45 minutes to make.

[kutuyach]

Brewmonkey, why use the rice at all then ?

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by kutuyach
Brewmonkey, why use the rice at all then ?

If you are using rice that needs no preperation (polishing, gelatinization etc...) then all you need for raw rice is a cereal cooker, The big guys have them and they use them. If you do not have one available you have to used pre-gelatinized brewers flakes, and add them to the mash. Using a highly modified malt you will have no problem. IIRC you also have a higher starch content per Lb with rice then with barley so while they may claim to cost more per lb, they yield more fermentable per lb.

I use it (and Corn) in several beers that I have made such as the Light version of our flagship lager, and two lawnmower beers that I have done.

[Richard English]

Means?

[Fast_Eddy]

Originally posted by Richard English
Means?

If I Remember Correctly

[Richard English]

(means Thank You Very Much But Why Bother With Abbreviations?)

[Fast_Eddy]

My favorite acronym is TLA.

It means Three Letter Acronym ;)

[Beerconnoisseur]

My favorite acronym is GNU, for Gnu's Not Unix. Repeat recursively, ad infinitum. :p

[toneyc]

Because we've become an abbreviated society.

Example: IMHO SNPA is an OOM above Bud.

Means: In My Honest Opinion Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is an order of magnitude above Budweiser.

:)
Toney.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Richard English
(means Thank You Very Much But Why Bother With Abbreviations?)

It is just one of those things that has evolved as the internet has. Only suitable use is in informal settings such as this or if you work for the US Army (like I used to) in which case you learn to speak with abbreviations and acronym's.

[Richard English]

The problem with acronyms is that they are not universally understood. My own rule is to use them only when they have acquired the status of a word (Radar) or to translate them on their first using (the Campaign for Real Ale - Camra).

There is already too much confusion in this world for it to be added to by a surfeit of acronyms and abbreviations!

[kutuyach]

Richard, I agree 100%. Also, some of the acronims are regional. What is known to folks in CA, might be not to people in Florida..

[BeerJack]

CA?

[neal]

One of my favorie anachronyms is BOHICA. Bend Over Here It Comes Again. I commonly use anachronyms to say things in front of customers that they needn't hear. :cool:

[BucksBrew]

Originally posted by BeerJack
CA?

:p

[wortchillergoal]

Originally posted by toneyc
Example: IMHO SNPA is an OOM above Bud.

Means: In My Honest Opinion Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is an order of magnitude above Budweiser.

Should not the "H" in IMHO be humble as opposed to honest.

I think some of us who are more life experienced, not old or older, have trouble adjusting to some of the new langauge rules as they emerge.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by kutuyach
Richard, I agree 100%. Also, some of the acronims are regional. What is known to folks in CA, might be not to people in Florida..

But the internet is worldwide.

I generally do not subscribe to the use of the acronyms, but if you use the W3 (which is an understood abbreviation for the World Wide Web) and boards like this one, they are there.

[Richard English]

Which is all the more reason to use simple language and eschew acronyms and abbreviations. Like slang and jargon, acronyms and abbreviations are often very localised.

Similarly, there are many local terms and expressions used in the various forms of English which are unknown to those who use a different form from the writer. For example, were I to say that it's now illegal to "have a fag on the tube", most US readers would be very bemused. But if I were to translate it into normal English, few would misunderstand me. After all, most people can see why it might be illegal to have a cigarette on the underground.

Ordinary words and expressions can, if need be, checked in a dictionary; jargon, slang, abbreviations and acronyms are often not so readily checked.

For example, any dictionary will show the word "eschew" should you not be aware of it. I doubt that even the full Oxford would show "W3"

[Beerconnoisseur]

Originally posted by Richard English
After all, most people can see why it might be illegal to have a cigarette on the underground.

Don'tcha mean, "subway?" :p

And I have to admit, brewmonkey... the first few times you used IIRC, I thought to myself: "What on earth does Internet Relay Chat have to do with brewing beer?"

TMALSS:TATDMA

(That's To Make A Long Story Short, There Are Too Damn Many Acronyms.)

[Richard English]

I deliberately didn't translate the expression "underground" since it is generally understood everywhere. Subway means nothing in many countries (it's a pedestrian underpass in the UK) and other words like "Metro" (named after London's Metropolitan Railway) are again local.

[Otis_The_Drunk]

How in the hell did this turn from a discussion of the use of rice in beer to a discussion on Acronyms?

Talk about a thread getting off topic... *shakes head & Rolls Eyes*

[fretlessman71]

How in the heck did you find a 2-year-old PLUS thread to complain about?

A thread that was FUBAR already, no less... :D

[Otis_The_Drunk]

To be Honest, I saw that someone else was reading it and clicked into it.... And there you go using Acronyms... :D

[fretlessman71]

What does a-c-r-o-n-y-m stand for? I've never seen that one.

[Bilbo Beergins]

Richard, you state, "[W]hich is all the more reason to use simple language and eschew acronyms..."

To that I say, "GSH".

[YamahaXS]

holy resurrected thread, batman!

[brewmonkey]

Listen...

I spent 17 years as a military (Army dependent) followed by 9 more years in the service myself. I still live right out the front gate of an Army installation and most of my friends are still in (I actually hang out on a military VBulletin board way more then I do here) as well I spent many years in the brewing industry which is also rife with acronyms. That is 35+ years exposure, I can run circles around all of you while hopping one leg, which ain't easy since I only have the use of one! :D LOL!!! Hahahaha


KING KONG AIN"T GOT NOTHING ON ME!

[zoom6zoom]

the popularity of text messaging has helped with a resurgence of these abbreviations since folks are getting too lazy to spell them out - and indeed it's a pain to use one of those phone "keyboards". Even my Blackberry is a pain to type on (I HATE the thing!)

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by zoom6zoom
Even my Blackberry is a pain to type on (I HATE the thing!) Send it to me? I'm in the market, zoom... :)

[Richard English]

Quote "...Richard, you state, "[W]hich is all the more reason to use simple language and eschew acronyms..."..."

I do indeed. And if you can think of a precise synonym for the verb "eschew" then I would maybe select it.

And maybe I would not, since I see no reason why I shouldn't use our wonderful and colourful language properly - which means I use few acronyms and even fewer "texting" abbreviations.

[fretlessman71]

IHNFIWYTA. :D

rolls right off the tongue, don't it?

[Bilbo Beergins]

Eschew? Gesundheidt!:cool:

[wortchillergoal]

Originally posted by Richard English
Quote "...Richard, you state, "[W]hich is all the more reason to use simple language and eschew acronyms..."..."

I do indeed. And if you can think of a precise synonym for the verb "eschew" then I would maybe select it.

And maybe I would not, since I see no reason why I shouldn't use our wonderful and colourful language properly - which means I use few acronyms and even fewer "texting" abbreviations.

Richard, I for one think you deliever our language with grace and class.

[Richard English]

Thank you. I appreciate your comments.

[Jeff]

Great website for translating all of those annoying acronyms:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by brewmonkey
But the internet is worldwide.

I think the point here was missed. Those acronyms that have arisen through the use of the internet are local worldwide. Tube is a local slang term, IIRC english-speaking-world slang term, IMO:)

[steveh]

Originally posted by brewmonkey
I can run circles around all of you while hopping one leg, which ain't easy since I only have the use of one!

Just so long as you ain't got any willy-peter to set up a boo-coo charlie-foxtrot on us all bro'! ;)

S.

[Teej]

Originally posted by Bilbo Beergins
Gesundheidt!

ComesOUTloose.

[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by Teej
ComesOUTloose. BOOOOOOOOOOOO...... ;)

[Cloakndagger]

Originally posted by wortchillergoal
Richard, I for one think you deliever our language with grace and class.

Same here. I happen to know he is a member, along with Kalleh, of another board that language and wordsmithing is the topic.

[steveh]

Originally posted by Cloakndagger
I happen to know he is a member, along with Kalleh, of another board that language and wordsmithing is the topic.

Wordcraft. (http://wordcraft.infopop.cc/)

Doesn't mean anything though, Kalleh still can't stop referring to a popular English style as Bitters. ;)

S.

[onthesly]

You can award her a pullet surprise!

[fretlessman71]

WHOA - I've never groaned and laughed at the same time like that! :D "Pullet Surprise"! Gotta use that somewheres...

[onthesly]

I read that pun in a reader's digest some years ago. I don't know why I remember it but I like it too. :)

[Cloakndagger]

Wurlitzer Prize

[Bilbo Beergins]

I know, not too punny. Now I owe you a beer, Richard...:(

[onthesly]

Shouldn't stevie wonder get the wurlitzer prize?

[fretlessman71]

Either him or Supertramp. :D

[Bilbo Beergins]

Hey, fretlessman71, are you really fretless? Long or regular scale, factory or retro, and do you play in any micro-pubs? My favorite was Wasatch Brewery in Park City, Utah. We used to play reggae and Texas blues, and it was all the mountain spring microbrew we could drink, along with $75 a night per man (1n the early '90's). I was fretless, but the leader of the band made me put the frets back on for some reggae-fied reason.

What a great series of brews, and what fun music.

[fretlessman71]

Yep, I'm a real fretless player - click on the www link at the bottom of this post. :)

[Cloakndagger]

Originally posted by onthesly
Shouldn't stevie wonder get the wurlitzer prize?

Actually the song Wurlitzer Prize was sung by Waylon Jennings.

I just bought the Stevie Wonder 4 - disc box set. Excellent!!

[fretlessman71]

Jennifer and I actually cover "I Wish" at Elway's. Piano and string bass - complete with sung harmonized horn parts and everything! :D

[YamahaXS]

i really wish i had gotten out to see you when i was in denver last spring... :(

[onthesly]

Elway's? As in John Elway? COOL! Does he ever show up there?

The NFL isn't the same without him. :(

[Cloakndagger]

It is hard to pick a favorite Stevie Wonder song. I Was Made To Love Her and That Girl are probably my two favorites. But he had so many great songs.

[denver brewhoo]

Originally posted by onthesly
Elway's? As in John Elway? COOL! Does he ever show up there?

The NFL isn't the same without him. :(

Actually, I saw him in there one Sunday night, at the table right next to the piano, with 2 40-something couples and Elway's date--his mom. I don't know him & tend to give celebs their privacy but everybody who does know him seems to think he's a genuinely nice guy. He was throwing a football, Fret, to a little kid, from about the piano to the fountain in the entry way...made the kid's night.

(Fret wasn't there-- doesn't play Sundays IIRC)

My wife and I like to go in there occasionally, usually on a weekend evening after I've brewed a batch of beer. They have a very nice bone-in ribeye at a much more reasonable price than Mortons or Del Frisco, and we usually have an Odell's 5 Barrel then a glass of red wine with the steak--good selection of by-the-glass reds.

[unkle bik]

Soooo......what about that Budweiser?:D

[Richard English]

Quote "...Soooo......what about that Budweiser?..."

Budweiser is an excellent beer and one of my favourite lagers. It's just a pity that the name has been hijacked by Anheuser Busch for their execrable rice-water apology for a beer.

In the UK, incidentally, real Czech Budweiser is cheaper than Anheuser Busch rubbish and I find it hard to understand the workings of the minds of those who buy A-B in preference to Budweiser.

[unkle bik]

Originally posted by Richard English


In the UK, incidentally, real Czech Budweiser is cheaper than Anheuser Busch rubbish and I find it hard to understand the workings of the minds of those who buy A-B in preference to Budweiser.
Thanx for getting things back on track, Richard.

You say the real Czech bud is cheaper than the faux stuff A/B puts out?

Is the original readily available at most outlets?

[Richard English]

Quote "...Is the original readily available at most outlets?..."

In supermarkets and the like, yes. It's sold alongside the A-B swill (the UK is the only place in the world where there are two beers called Budweiser sold side by side).

But in pubs, because of A-B's obscene marketing effort and the massive profits that their swill generates, it's often difficult to find the real Budweiser. Having said which, Budvar have been promoting heavily in the UK and their beer is becoming more common than it was.

[onthesly]

Richard, make sure you dont reach for the wrong bottle, okay?
:)

[Richard English]

My tastebuds would quickly tell me if my eyes failed so to do!

[fretlessman71]

Yeah, but by then it'd be too late - keep those eyes peeled for us, Richard! We don't want to hear of your "unexpected death by revulsion"! :D

[steveh]

An interesting, and not off base question just occurred to me; is A/B Spud sold in a brown or green bottle in the UK? It's brown here, but their new Heineken clone is in a green bottle to match marketing against the imports.

S.

[Richard English]

I've not taken too much notice but I think it's brown. Of course, many people buy it in cans or from the fiz dispensor on the bar.

[chazwicke]

I have often seen bottles of real Budweiser in the coolers behind the bar in pubs in England. It is amusing to see cans of A/B Bud in the same cooler. If I was the publican, I would place the Czech Bud bottles in front of the swill and everyone who orders a bud would get the Czech beer.

[fretlessman71]

Yeah, but the AB Bud co$t$ more, so the publican get$ more for the AB. I guess he could just take the money and hand out whatever he wanted, right? 'Twould be sneaky, indeed...

[Richard English]

Quote "... If I was the publican, I would place the Czech Bud bottles in front of the swill and everyone who orders a bud would get the Czech beer...."

Most do the opposite since they make much more money from the A-B swill. However, in the Garland in Redhill (where I sampled a modest five pints of their excellent mild last night) the Landlord does not even stock A-B swill. If you ask for a Budweiser you get the real one - no alternative.

I just wish there were more Landlords around like him!

[wortchillergoal]

I can say one good thing about AB. They paid ny league fees for a season. In common with drinking beer, there is nothing in the world like playin hockey for free.

[denver brewhoo]

Originally posted by Richard English
Quote "...Soooo......what about that Budweiser?..."

Budweiser is an excellent beer and one of my favourite lagers. It's just a pity that the name has been hijacked by Anheuser Busch for their execrable rice-water apology for a beer.

In the UK, incidentally, real Czech Budweiser is cheaper than Anheuser Busch rubbish and I find it hard to understand the workings of the minds of those who buy A-B in preference to Budweiser.


Curious about this, though.....Isn't the "real Czech Budweiser" artificially, ie "force" carbonated? I don't believe it's bottle conditioned but admit I could be mistaken. I also thought it might be pasteurized......

I like it too, btw, and agree as to its superiority to the American version, but thought it had at least one and maybe two characteristics that would tend to make it unpalatable to some here, such as Richard......

[steveh]

Originally posted by denver brewhoo
...but thought it had at least one and maybe two characteristics that would tend to make it unpalatable to some here, such as Richard......

Heh, heh, heh - you are a touble-maker my friend! ;)

While I profess to be a lover of good lager, and Richard is a lover of CC ales - neither of us have ever said the other (style) is bad - especially when done properly.

AFA Budweis being pasteurized, probably the import we get in the 'States, but I don't know about the UK. And just because a beer isn't CC or BC, doesn't mean it's force-carbonated.

S.

[denver brewhoo]

Originally posted by steveh

AFA Budweis being pasteurized, probably the import we get in the 'States, but I don't know about the UK. And just because a beer isn't CC or BC, doesn't mean it's force-carbonated.

S.

Right, they could krausen it by adding some green beer in the bright beer tank, right? Or they could carbonate it by shutting the pressure relief valve when the beer gets a few points above the anticipated final gravity, I forget what that's called....but those are the only ways I know, besides forcing it.....wonder if anybody here knows how they do accomplish it?

[golden boy]

i sitting down having my first pumpkin ale,not bad has anyone try this.

[fretlessman71]

What brand? They're all very different.

[golden boy]

sorry 71 BLUE MOON

[danno]

Originally posted by golden boy
sorry 71 BLUE MOON yep, been there, done that... (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8342) wasn't impressed, but i'm a snob... :D

[fretlessman71]

You know, if it's a sweeter tasting pumpkin ale, it might be right up my alley. I like their belgian white okay; maybe I'll look for a single of this next time I'm out. :)

[chazwicke]

I'm not a fan of the Blue Moon products. A former employee whom I am helping out currently brought a sixer of the Pumpkin to my office as a token of her appreciation. She knows I drink beers she has never heard of so she picked this up. It was a very nice gesture but the sixer has been sitting in my fridge here at the office ever since. I'm sure one of my other employees will eventually end up with it. ;)

[onthesly]

Or you could send them to me. I love pumpkin ales!

[fretlessman71]

Heyyy.. *I* was gonna say that..... :(

[onthesly]

Seriously - send them to me and ill send you some Moose Drool! :)

[newportstorm]

Anyone NOT a fan of light/overspiced pumpkin beers might be interested in this one. Yes, it's a brewpub, but if in MA, it's worth checking out. Growlers to go, too.

The Tap's Srybny's Pumpkin Patch (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/3185/26639/?sort=latest&start=0)

Boo!

[fretlessman71]

Sounds deelish - send me a growler? ;)

[newportstorm]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
Sounds deelish - send me a growler?

Had I known how good it was, I'd have grabbed more when I was there over the weekend. As it stands, I won't be back until Turkey Day and they'll be closed :( Shipping growlers is never a problem. Maybe I can send you some Newport Storm Blizzard Porter next month. I think you had a bottle for your Porter tasting, but the draft is better, imo. I'll let ya know...

Cheers!

[chazwicke]

I've never shipped growlers before but that seems like a great idea. I know Stod sent some of his legendary ESB to several folks awhile back. And I have given growlers as gifts to friends and Realbeer folks before. I think it would be a great way to trade. Most of our local places fill the German swingtop style growlers which seem to last a bit longer than the screwtops. But if they are unopened they seem to last a week or so. I have recently enjoyed a lovely rauch from Sly Fox Phoenixville, PA from a growler and I have another in the fridge. It too is smoked but I believe it is a porter. Growler exchanges would undoubtedly bring fresher beer than bottles usually would. And it is draft. There are plenty of good beers that are draft only. Packing a single growler has to easier than a bunch of loose bottles too. I think you guys have hit on something here.

[newportstorm]

Shipping growlers takes a bit of extra care and they are heavy (expect 11-12 lbs. per) when packed well. And you need to be careful how the growler is filled, time frame between filling/sending/consuming and time spent in transit out of the fridge (could be days, unless you want to break the bank to overnight it). Also, some swingtop bottles (growlers included), while giving a good seal, can also be prone to leaking if jostled enough. Thomas Hooker swingtops are like this. Filled and sealed well, I've kept growlers as long as 3 weeks in the fridge before consuming. This is fresh, draft beer however, so no guarantees.

When I ship a growler, I ensure it was either counterpressure filled or if filled fresh at the tap, it is capped on foam and sealed tightly immediately. Wrap the cap and neck with 7-8 passes of electrical tape and keep cold until shipping. I try not to send mine more than 2 days travel, if possible. I wrap the growler in an old towel (optional), then in bubble wrap well, then in a trash bag that I duct tape shut. Most growlers can fit into an empty 12 pack box with some packing material (peanuts, airpaks, etc.), which can then be placed in a larger box with more padding (i.e. box-in-box). Seem excessive? Try getting a soaking wet, half empty, flat growler of highly rated IPA and you'll change your tune like I did.

Anyway, that's my story. Next on the docket in my growler shipping itinerary is Buzzards Bay Schwarzbier - possibly this weekend. Have several interested beer buds.

Cheers!

[Sladek]

I'll just chime in here... back to the old thread tangent, there's a difference between "acronym" and "abbreviation". "Radar" and "laser" are acryonms, but "FBI" is an abbreviation.

I used to like Budvar. After drinking Prazdroj for a while I find Budvar very bland and thin. It doesn't taste like all-malt to me, but I might be wrong. I think Krusovice's 10-degree is much better.