How Stupid Must One Be For Fox News To Hate Them?

[animal]

This stupid (http://www.wimp.com/religious/)
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[gone_fishing]

That's one sick b*tch!!!

Less than 100 members, with 80% of them being family??? Would be really interesting to trace that back to the original mental patient who taught this to his kids, huh?

Honestly, I'm more than a little surprised they haven't been attacked by anyone yet. That's some vile crap they're spewing to some pretty distraught folks.

[chazwicke]

The whole thing is bizarre as are many Fox news shows.

[animal]

Originally posted by gone_fishing
That's one sick b*tch!!!

Less than 100 members, with 80% of them being family??? Would be really interesting to trace that back to the original mental patient who taught this to his kids, huh?

Honestly, I'm more than a little surprised they haven't been attacked by anyone yet. That's some vile crap they're spewing to some pretty distraught folks. True. She makes Marguerite Perrin look PERFECTLY sane and rational by comparision. I say she should just don her burqua and get it over with.
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[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by gone_fishing
That's one sick b*tch!!!

Less than 100 members, with 80% of them being family??? Would be really interesting to trace that back to the original mental patient who taught this to his kids, huh?

Honestly, I'm more than a little surprised they haven't been attacked by anyone yet. That's some vile crap they're spewing to some pretty distraught folks. Attacking them would just make them martyrs in someone else's eyes. Best thing that could be done is what Fox did - expose them for what they are.

Most distuurbing thing was the permagrin she had throughout the interview...

[corkybstewart]

I had read about this group but until I saw the video I didn't realize just how sick and twisted they are. Another good reason to tighten up the laws against marrying your sister. It's amazing a motorist hasn't "been stung by a bee and just lost control of the vehicle, I really didn't mean to wipe out 25 protesters, I thought I had my foot on the brake, not the gas. And yes I did back up and forth over them a few times, I was trying to get the car into PARK.

[gone_fishing]

Yeah, the permagrin got to me too.... and apparently to the hosts of that show.
The exposure has a bad side too... there will be other sick twisted people who think she and her inbred church members are right.

[D0nc0smic]

yea to me its a miracle they are still alive, especially considering they have made enemies of biker gangs. When they were protesting at war funerals last year a group of bikers followed them around the country and would surround the protest so the people at the funeral couldn;t see or here them. They are damn lucky that these were some of the more tolerant bikers in the country, insulting veterans in front of a biker gang is about as dumb a thing as i can think of

[DecoJuicer]

This is going to make me really unpopular, but....

First, let me say that this woman makes me sick down to my very soul. There is obviously a whole lot of inbreeding going on in that church. The fact that Sean Hannity and Alan Combs actually agree on this subject should show you what kind of idiots these people really are. They, however, will have to answer to God someday, and I think that they may find that He isn't happy about having his name slandered the way they have been.

Now the part that makes me look like the worlds biggest a$$h0le:

I actually agree with her when she talks about the protest laws being unconstitutional. The first amendment specifically says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Unfortunately, these fools are protesting at the funeral of the very people that are charged with protecting those freedoms. It is also unfortunate that the police have a duty to protect these people from the rest of the world. It makes me sick to think that these people get to use the death of one of America's protectors as a platform to spew their hatred, but that is the way the law of the land works.

I realize that the Constitution only refers to the federal government, but no state can make a law superseding the constitution.

It makes me sick to think of these people protesting at the funerals of soldiers, and if they show up here in a couple of weeks for a young man's funeral. I will be more than happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Patriot Guard and lend my support. And if these idiots get out of line, I will be elated to lend my 6'1", 300lbs of support. And my size 12 1/2 right in their a$$.

That's just my opinion.

[gone_fishing]

Deco, your opinion does not make you unpopular with me. I happen to agree that the right for americans to protest is an important one,one that should be protected,and one of the fundamental beliefs,I would hope, of all true americans.
It is unfortunate that some of the persons using this right are, like this lady and her church... demented idiots.
Now, I put the "right for americans" in there for a reason... that reason being that I DON'T think the illegal aliens have that right...they AREN'T americans, and should be arrested, jailed and deported. Then I think those protests would stop post haste.

[DecoJuicer]

Originally posted by gone_fishing
Now, I put the "right for americans" in there for a reason... that reason being that I DON'T think the illegal aliens have that right...they AREN'T americans, and should be arrested, jailed and deported. Then I think those protests would stop post haste.

I got into a debate on this subject a couple of weeks ago on another forum. Actually, it was more about the people posting then the immigration issue, but still, my wife says I'm not allowed to talk about that subject anymore.:rolleyes:

[BrewDog]

My whole take on the right to protest debate is simple:

You have the RIGHT as an American Citizen to say whatever you want (with the obvious "fire in a theater" exceptions).

With these RIGHTS, you also have the RESPONSIBILITY for it to be TRUTHFUL and CIVIL, and you must be willing to live with the consequences when the above requirements are not fulfilled.

[brewmonkey]

Let me guess, The Phelps family. Try living by them. We are only 30 minutes from Westboro Baptist and we deal with these morons all the time. When I was brewing we actually had them protest our pub one night because we hosted the 20th reunion of Melissa Ethridge's graduating class.

They have also been protesting funerals left and right around here, or should we say they were. Our state and many others have passed laws prohibiting them and others from protesting funerals.

Of course it is also why my wife and I are members of the Patriot Guard, founded right here in Kansas to counter this group and others like it.

Read up on them though, they ACTUALLY make their living suing and WINNING verdicts against governments (local/state/Federal) for violating their civil rights. They won a HUGE verdict against Topeka KS and Shawnee County a few years back, close to $300K that they were awarded.

Of course Fred himself is a disbarred lawyer. Seems he had some problems with ethics and now his daughter handles all their cases. Worse though is when you see those 6-7 year old kids protesting and spitting at you and they have no real clue as to why.

edit-Ok, I had to watch it. I love it when Hannity & Colmes agree on something like this.:D That lady is the one I had to have thrown off our property during the protest back in 2002. You know that church is like 90 members of which about 75 are directly related to good old Fred.

[Bilbo Beergins]

"Gospel" means "Good News"-these folks forget all that. Fred and his family of frustrated followers are hatin', and that ain't right. Especially when they're hatin' beer, like brewmonkey's pub.

The amazing thing is that these idiots spit on the dead body of a soldier who died defending their right to free speech; no better than the stinkin' hippies, and twice as inbred.

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by Bilbo Beergins
"Gospel" means "Good News"-these folks forget all that. Fred and his family of frustrated followers are hatin', and that ain't right. Especially when they're hatin' beer, like brewmonkey's pub.

The amazing thing is that these idiots spit on the dead body of a soldier who died defending their right to free speech; no better than the stinkin' hippies, and twice as inbred.

Trust me, it was my pleasure to "escort" some of them from the property both as a brewer and a soldier/veteran/son & brother of soldiers.

[animal]

When Hannity asked her what her sins were, I would imagine the first answer would be incest... That would certainly explain that overall family's retardation.

Now that's my definition of a stupid c***.

Robertson and Falwell have damaged Christianity, but this b**** and her family have pretty much nuked the concept.
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[DecoJuicer]

Brewmonkey,

If they ever come back and you need a bouncer, give me a call. I'll pay my own way and donate my own time.

uh...you do have insurance, right??:D

[animal]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
Brewmonkey,

If they ever come back and you need a bouncer, give me a call. I'll pay my own way and donate my own time.

uh...you do have insurance, right??:D Me too!
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[fretlessman71]

Originally posted by animal

Robertson and Falwell have damaged Christianity, but this b**** and her family have pretty much nuked the concept. No, the concept remains the same, regardless of how certain people choose to distort it. This is a case of "blame the messenger, not the message"... because they've changed the message to suit their own beliefs.

[Goban]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
No, the concept remains the same, regardless of how certain people choose to distort it. This is a case of "blame the messenger, not the message"... because they've changed the message to suit their own beliefs.
Well said Fret. IMO, we needn’t focus solely on these people either. There are many, many more who share in their beliefs, if not as bad, all around you (probably in your own home town). They just don’t have the media coverage…

For the past few months I have been studying about religion, primarily Christianity and Islam (scholarly, not religiously). And through my research I have stumble upon some pretty interesting interpretations of the religious texts, and contradictions of what someone would consider religious text. Contradictory Islamic Hadiths, Christian gospels vis-a-vis“Gnostic” gospels, wow, it’s really quite astonishing.

But that is a topic for another forum… How’s the beer?

[fretlessman71]

I wonder what beers the Phelps family prefers. ;)

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by fretlessman71
I wonder what beers the Phelps family prefers. ;)

Well there is a FANTASTIC pub with one of the countries best brewers right in Topeka. That brewer is the one that brought me into business so my views may be skewed, but then again he does have about 12 GABF/WBC Medals to his name.

[Sladek]

What's "solider"?

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by Goban
Contradictory Islamic Hadiths, Christian gospels vis-a-vis“Gnostic” gospels, wow, it’s really quite astonishing.


actually gnosticism was around for a long while before jesus was around. Those "Gospels" were just their attempt to spread some of their weirdo beliefs.

[animal]

Originally posted by Sladek
What's "solider"? I think it's "soldier"
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[mookow]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
This is going to make me really unpopular, but....

I actually agree with her when she talks about the protest laws being unconstitutional. The first amendment specifically says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Unfortunately, these fools are protesting at the funeral of the very people that are charged with protecting those freedoms. It is also unfortunate that the police have a duty to protect these people from the rest of the world. It makes me sick to think that these people get to use the death of one of America's protectors as a platform to spew their hatred, but that is the way the law of the land works.


I agree with you. A part of me is thankful every time I see something like this, or a Nazi/KKK rally on American soil. Not because I support those causes, but because it means we still respect the Constitution enough to restrain the initial urge to bash their heads in and allow someone to express such unpopular opinions. The free speech portion of the first amendment wasnt included in the BoR in order to protect people expressing popular ideas, it was written so that people who expressed ideas contrary to popular and governmental belief would be protected.

As for the final part of the quoted message, it reminds me of this:
"It is the Soldier, not the Reporter who has given us the freedom of press.
It is the soldier, not the Poet who has given us the freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the Campus Organizer who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the Soldier who salutes the Flag,
who serves beneath the Flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the Flag,
who allows the Protester to burn the Flag."

OK, in this case it is closer to "take a steaming dump on the flag while it is being folded and given to the parents" rather than "burn the flag"...

Which is why the other part of me wants to shoot them while they are clearly identified and out in the open, because sometimes Darwin doesnt act nearly fast enough IMO.

[Sladek]

Originally posted by animal
I think it's "soldier" I know, I was being a smartass; a misspelling on TV is rather sad.

[DecoJuicer]

I have been doing some thinking about this situation and this is something that crossed my mind(it's really warped, I must warn you)...

If Audie Murphy rose up from his grave tomorrow, he would open a serious can of whoop a$$ on the phelps family. But I think as soon as he was finished with them, he would march straight to states that are trying to pass these unconstitutional laws and b1+ch slap the law makers who are trying to infringe upon the first amendment.

I personally feel that passing a law to take away MORE of our rights is also insulting to every soldier who has ever served.

I have said it before, but I'll say it again. A healthy first amendment gives you racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, hate mongering, jerk-offs like Fred Phelps and his idiot clan of inbreds.

No first amendment gives you Adolph Hitler.

Just my opinion though.

[DecoJuicer]

Originally posted by HogieWan
actually gnosticism was around for a long while before jesus was around. Those "Gospels" were just their attempt to spread some of their weirdo beliefs.

Hey bro, go easy. Not necessarily weirdo, just different than yours. I have been doing a little reading about the gnostics myself lately, and I find them interesting too.

One of the "weirdo" beliefs was that God is so forgiving that even Satan himself could be forgiven.

[HogieWan]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
One of the "weirdo" beliefs was that God is so forgiving that even Satan himself could be forgiven.

nothing different than the catholic church or most other christian churches.

Sorry about referring to them as weirdo, but I've read some of those texts in the past and some of it is a bit crazy to me. I guess I have no right to call someone's belief weird, I just don't agree with it.

[DecoJuicer]

Ain't no thing, brother.

To tell the truth, I have kind of had it with organized religion in general. I found a church that I liekd a while back, and started going, then the pastor did a 180 and started getting weird, so I bailed. Haven't found anything since, so I stay home and brew instead now.

[corkybstewart]

We also started our own church, and we partake of the sacrements on a nightly basis. Our big service is Friday night, after which we spend a day or two in atonement.

[DecoJuicer]

Wasn't there a thread about that somewhere?? I seem to remember several of us discussing being ordained through the Church of Universal Life. There was talk about starting a beer church. I'll have to do a search later.

Edit: I found the thread. It was one of mine. Go Figure. (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9969&perpage=15&highlight=Church+Universal+Life&pagenumber=1)

[brewmonkey]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer

One of the "weirdo" beliefs was that God is so forgiving that even Satan himself could be forgiven.

Not a weirdo belief, it is a tenant of the Catholic Church. If you are truly repentant you will be forgiven. It is why we Catholics believe in Baptism, Communion, Confession and Last Rites. All involve the forgiveness of sin.

Where you get the lunatics is those who believe they can do anything they please and simply confess on Sunday before Mass.

As for the Phelps family, they have been at this a long time and have perfected the lunatic roll. If you recall they came to national prominence after they protested the funeral of Matthew Sheppard.

[Bloodaxe]

Yep, that is one loopy bint! Not so much expressing her right to an opinion as proving she need's a room with rubber wallpaper!

[Bloodaxe]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
Wasn't there a thread about that somewhere?? I seem to remember several of us discussing being ordained through the Church of Universal Life. There was talk about starting a beer church. I'll have to do a search later.

Edit: I found the thread. It was one of mine. Go Figure. (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9969&perpage=15&highlight=Church+Universal+Life&pagenumber=1)
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So say hi to the next new British Prime Minister- me!

[Mad Scientist]

People like that make me glad we have the right to bear arms.

While they have freedom of speech, there are some restaints that should be adhered to. The are called common decency.

That be said, I'll be happy to martyr her and her family, but I think they'll proabaly go to hell....

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by Bloodaxe
Yep, that is one loopy bint! Not so much expressing her right to an opinion as proving she need's a room with rubber wallpaper!

Well put.

[DecoJuicer]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church are at it again!!

They are currently protesting at the funerals of the children that were killed in the school bus accident in Alabama. I spoke with a guy that I know that lives near their, and he told me how the city handled it.

They pulled 2 city buses right in front of the area where the protesters were standing and parked them there. Then the local citizens formed an anti-protest to show support for the families.

I don't normally support violence...wait, yes I do...Anyway, while I do support the first amendment and the right to be able to speak free from government persecution, I really don't like these people. If anybody comes close enough to one of these morons, please punch them in the throat. Then go wash your hands immediately.

[MeridianFC]

I used to hope that when Phelps poped his clogs there'd be one monstrous protest at his planting, then I realized a more appropriate send off would be the complete and utter ignoring of his (wonderous) passing so that he goes hopefully forgotten from this veil of tears.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
They are currently protesting at the funerals of the children that were killed in the school bus accident in Alabama. I spoke with a guy that I know that lives near their, and he told me how the city handled it.


WHY???????

[DecoJuicer]

Because they are bunch of insane, hatefilled, inbred morons.

Here is a link to the flyer for the "event". I'm sure they explain it more on their website, www.godhatesfags.com/main/ (http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/)

Flyer link (http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/nov2006/20061122_huntsville-alabama-schoolchildren-funeral.pdf)

Have I mentioned that I REALLY want to punch these people in the throat? Do you think if I sent them info about Jonestown, the Branch Dividians, and some of the other cults, that they would follow suite and kill theirselves?

[Mad Scientist]

We should be so lucky....

[animal]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church are at it again!! Doesn't bother me at all.

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
They are currently protesting at the funerals of the children that were killed in the school bus accident in Alabama. I spoke with a guy that I know that lives near their, and he told me how the city handled it.

They pulled 2 city buses right in front of the area where the protesters were standing and parked them there. Then the local citizens formed an anti-protest to show support for the families.

I don't normally support violence...wait, yes I do...Anyway, while I do support the first amendment and the right to be able to speak free from government persecution, I really don't like these people. If anybody comes close enough to one of these morons, please punch them in the throat. Then go wash your hands immediately. [/B] Oh my God! Have these people no shame? Apparently not. If I'm ever in Topeka, I'm gonna pay the WBC a little nocturnal visit, preferably after checking out the city's craft beer scene. I seriously doubt the Phelps KKKlan would appreciate what I'd leave on their doorstep.
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[animal]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
Ain't no thing, brother.

To tell the truth, I have kind of had it with organized religion in general. I found a church that I liekd a while back, and started going, then the pastor did a 180 and started getting weird, so I bailed. Haven't found anything since, so I stay home and brew instead now. Ever try the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? http://www.venganza.org
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[Mill Rat]

The Phelps clan has once again left me aghast and damn near speechless. On one hand, I'd like to respond to their wretched distortion of Jesus' message in a calm, rational fashion, on another hand I regret that their offensiveness claims any portion of my thoughts, and on another foot I'd just love to cleanse the earth of their ilk. Given that option 1 won't get heard, and option 3 will turn their silly little arses into martyrs to the similarly brain-addled, I think ignoring them is the best option. I will, though, show up in the ranks of the sane opposition of they run any of their offensive "protests" in my neck of the woods.

Face it, their idea of a protest is getting their mugs on the news for publicity's sake (reminds me of the old Hollywood saw that there's no such thing as bad publicity) and in hopes that someone who has or represents a group with deep financial pockets says or does something that's litigable. I suppose once you lose any sense of shame about most people regarding you as sick and insane at best, the money's OK.

[Mad Scientist]

Originally posted by animal
Ever try the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? http://www.venganza.org

Man, that is the best laugh I've had in a long time.....

[animal]

Originally posted by Boerne Brew
Man, that is the best laugh I've had in a long time..... Well you can't complain about the beer-filled volcano! Or the stripper factory!! LOL!!!!
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[D0nc0smic]

oh yea, i've been a devote pastafarian for over a year now, i really need a better pirate costume though, if i ever hope to be touched by his noodly appendage

[chazwicke]

Originally posted by D0nc0smic
oh yea, i've been a devote pastafarian for over a year now, i really need a better pirate costume though, if i ever hope to be touched by his noodly appendage

Are you on the 1 year plan or 5 year?:D

[Mad Scientist]

I wonder what the favored beer of the FSM is?

[Otis_The_Drunk]

Yeah we had those idiots show up in my town, But thanks to the bikers who had shown up they were barely seen and were not heard.

[DecoJuicer]

To bring this thread back one more time:

It appears that a jury in a federal court found against the Phelps family in a civil case and awarded the plaintiffs 11 million dollars.

Phelps has, of course, vowed to appeal the decision.

[animal]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
To bring this thread back one more time:

It appears that a jury in a federal court found against the Phelps family in a civil case and awarded the plaintiffs 11 million dollars.

Phelps has, of course, vowed to appeal the decision.

I read about that. GOOD!! Those assholes deserve to be put out on the street.
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[dennis3951]

Any person or being who can make Sean Hannity seem sane and reasonable must be from Mars!

[chazwicke]

Hannity is a puppet.

[MeridianFC]

Originally posted by DecoJuicer
To bring this thread back one more time:

It appears that a jury in a federal court found against the Phelps family in a civil case and awarded the plaintiffs 11 million dollars.

Phelps has, of course, vowed to appeal the decision.

As is his legal right as an American. And an asshole

[dennis3951]

Originally posted by chazwicke
Hannity is a puppet.
don't flatter him lol

[animal]

If I'm ever in Topeka, I'm gonna take a big steaming crap right on the WBC's front doorstep.
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[darylM]

Ok, read though the entire interesting thread and here are my thoughts on the subject.

one of the basic concepts of a democracy is Majority rules, Minority rights. That means that while the majority make the rules, unpopular opinions need to be heard as awful as the may be.

Another basic concept is the classic, "I have the right to punch your nose right to the tip of it." This means I can do anything as long as it dosen't curtail the rights of others.

With both of these concepts in play interesting things can occur. A group of crazies have the right to protest on city streets but not on private property unless the owner allows them. Said group must be mindful of other citizens in the same area to not infringe on thier rights(ie. spitting on someone).

My interpretation of this is I may have to tolerate but not accept. I don't agree with this group at all but I must tolerate them under certain situations because they showing thier opinion in a lawful way. I can toss them on the street otherwise.